Is there no exception listed to the rule? If not it would seem every clock play "intentionally thrown to conserve time" should be called intentional grounding.

 

There is the spiking exception.

This is correct, you may immediately throw the ball toward the line of scrimmage to stop the clock.

 

There is the spiking exception.

 

I believe you must be under center to "kill" the clock, correct?

I believe you must be under center to "kill" the clock, correct?

Yes.

Any rule that prevents a player from making an intelligent football play is a bad rule imo. This rule falls in that category. Needs to be changed.

 

Let me play Clyde for a second ... what needs to be changed?

Let me play Clyde for a second ... what needs to be changed?

 

The rule is fine. It only becomes an intelligent play in the NFL because rules allow it. If the NFL rule was the same as high school, that "intelligent play" becomes a bonehead play.

 

Let me play Clyde for a second ... what needs to be changed?

 

The fact that a QB must throw at an eligible receiver. A QB should be able to throw the ball away if no one is open. .

Same problem I ran into BGC. The links I found were not great and I wanted one I could pass along. Here is what I am going to respond with...

 

In HS the QB can never throw the ball away to avoid a sack. It doesn't matter if the QB is outside the tackles or not. If the QB is in danger of being sacked and he throws the ball away to a spot where there is no receiver in the immediate area then it is intentional grounding by rule. Penalty is 5 yds and loss of down. The subjective part is judging the "general area" but some officials have told me they consider about 10 yds in any direction of the thrown ball to fit that description.

 

That sound about right to you rules guys?

The problem is, it is hardly called in HS at least games I've seen.

 

There was a perfect example in the Ryle game last week. The Ryle QB was being chased and was about 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage and before he took a sack he threw the ball right into the ground a good 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage with no receiver in the area and no flag.

 

I just wish the officials would call intentional grounding like they are supposed to.

The fact that a QB must throw at an eligible receiver. A QB should be able to throw the ball away if no one is open. .

 

Why?? Just curious. I think the purpose in the NFL is two fold. One, I think it's to protect the QB'S. I think the other, quite, frankly is to promote scoring. Without it, the two minute drill gets much harder. I kinda like any rule that helps the defense, especially when they've done a good job.

 

Why?? Just curious. I think the purpose in the NFL is two fold. One, I think it's to protect the QB'S. I think the other, quite, frankly is to promote scoring. Without it, the two minute drill gets much harder. I kinda like any rule that helps the defense, especially when they've done a good job.

 

The D wins on a throw away. Offense has one less down.

The D wins on a throw away. Offense has one less down.

 

Not if the throw away is to avoid a sack. That is a win for the offense IMO.

The D wins on a throw away. Offense has one less down.

 

But one less down, plus the loss of yardage is even bigger. Or forcing the QB into a bad throw and causing a turnover. So, yes the loss of a down is big, it's still kind of a do over. Remember, NFL game are entertainment. And many of the rules that have been put in place are put in place to help offenses, because people like to see scoring. At the high school level, scoring is rarely an issue. I have no problem with the grounding rule in high school.

Not if the throw away is to avoid a sack. That is a win for the offense IMO.

 

But one less down, plus the loss of yardage is even bigger. Or forcing the QB into a bad throw and causing a turnover. So, yes the loss of a down is big, it's still kind of a do over. Remember, NFL game are entertainment. And many of the rules that have been put in place are put in place to help offenses, because people like to see scoring. At the high school level, scoring is rarely an issue. I have no problem with the grounding rule in high school.

 

Ok guys, I get it.........you are coming from a defensive standpoint and I from a QB standpoint. Fair enough. We can agree to disagree. RJS, aren't all sports for entertainment? I thought they were??

Ok guys, I get it.........you are coming from a defensive standpoint and I from a QB standpoint. Fair enough. We can agree to disagree. RJS, aren't all sports for entertainment? I thought they were??

 

Yes they are. But at the professional level, the entertainment aspect is a much bigger part of the puzzle. And rules, especially in football, have been tweaked to enhance the entertainment piece. So many rules have been changed to benefit the offense, that ultimately increases scoring. Even though I'm a defensive guy, I have to say I hate watching a 7-3 game.

 

And for what it's worth, I wouldn't mind the NFL rule trickling down to the high school level. That particular play only comes up every now and then, and I don't think it would make the game any worse. Plus it would shut up the guys who don't know the rules that yell at the ref's when they call it correctly.

Ok guys, I get it.........you are coming from a defensive standpoint and I from a QB standpoint. Fair enough. We can agree to disagree. RJS, aren't all sports for entertainment? I thought they were??

I'm jumping on your bandwagon. I like the defensive standpoint, but I think anytime you stop a completion, the defense won.

 

Here's my take, I like the version of the rule that allows a throw-a-way that has to cross the line of scrimmage, has to be a forward pass and the QB has to be out of the pocket. I think that allows for a good football play by the QB and allows the defense to get the win. If a QB can't find a receiver after being flushed from the pocket, the defense did a good job. And, anytime the defense gets a loss of down without a yard being gained is good for the defense.

I'm jumping on your bandwagon. I like the defensive standpoint, but I think anytime you stop a completion, the defense won.

 

Here's my take, I like the version of the rule that allows a throw-a-way that has to cross the line of scrimmage, has to be a forward pass and the QB has to be out of the pocket. I think that allows for a good football play by the QB and allows the defense to get the win. If a QB can't find a receiver after being flushed from the pocket, the defense did a good job. And, anytime the defense gets a loss of down without a yard being gained is good for the defense.

 

Good points RAM, I'm with you. Make it a great weekend!