Hiring is done through the site based councils, but the principal has the final say. Prinicpals have tremendous influence over everything that happens within the walls of the school they control, and rightfully so. There is just too much potential for abuse there to allow any nepotism or any chance of nepotism. IF a principal has principles, he could abstain in those circumstances, however, I don't think you can enact the law to rely on them to do so.

 

Thank you!

Good rule used the wrong way.... It's a common sense case, but unfortunately that isn't so common anymore...

 

Why is it common sense?

 

 

 

It is a rule put in place to stop something before it happens.

 

All it takes is for one softball player to make an accusation against their coach (his brother). Then what does the principal do? Stand by his brothers statement, suspend until investigation, etc.?

 

Not saying that would ever happen but that is exactly why the rule is in place. They knew the rules, or should have, before he even became principal.

Something like that might have to happen. All the assistants are para-professionals, not sure if ACHS would allow any of them to technically move into the head coaching position or not. Volunteer head coach maybe? If he's not getting paid, then would he be considered an "employee" of the high school? I think a waiver from the KDE is being looked in to, but I don't know if that's something the KDE would do or not.

 

Individual school districts determine whether a paraprofessional can be a head coach or not, or if it has to be a teacher.

Good rule used the wrong way.... It's a common sense case, but unfortunately that isn't so common anymore...

 

Good, bad or indifferent, that's the way it is. If local school systems hadn't been used as patronage in local politics for so long, it wouldn't be an issue. But those guys instead couldn't resist the temptation to pack the schools with their relatives to take care of the family, so we have this law.

 

This coach in Anderson Co. got caught up in it, which is unfortunate, but I'll take that over how it used to be, when your last name determined whether you got a job or not. And like someone else mentioned above, this is surely something these brothers discussed during the hiring process. They can't be that naive.

Individual school districts determine whether a paraprofessional can be a head coach or not, or if it has to be a teacher.

 

I know...and I'm not sure what ACHS allows. Though I do know the boys basketball coach is no longer an AC school system employee as he retired a year or two ago. But he was employed as a long time teacher. As far as I know all the other head coaching positions are held by people within the school system, most if not all being teachers.

Good, bad or indifferent, that's the way it is. If local school systems hadn't been used as patronage in local politics for so long, it wouldn't be an issue. But those guys instead couldn't resist the temptation to pack the schools with their relatives to take care of the family, so we have this law.

 

This coach in Anderson Co. got caught up in it, which is unfortunate, but I'll take that over how it used to be, when your last name determined whether you got a job or not. And like someone else mentioned above, this is surely something these brothers discussed during the hiring process. They can't be that naive.

 

Well evidently they were told his coaching position was not an issue, but his teaching position was, which prompted the move to the middle school from the high school for the softball coach. Their initial understanding was that this move would take care of the situation. Going by the article in the paper.

This rule has been in place for 23 years. The principal that was hired had to know or should have known. There has never been an exception other than those grandfathered in that I know of in 23 years. It was ugly at first, but has not been a real issue lately because everyone knows you can't do it. As already stated, very unfortunate in this situation, but overall a good law. I have known of board members that have resigned to allow their relative to be hired, I also have known some would be principals who did not apply because of a relative already employed or was going to be hired. This is usually not a big deal in large school districts but is a lot more challenging in smaller districts, especially the isolated rural districts.

Well evidently they were told his coaching position was not an issue, but his teaching position was, which prompted the move to the middle school from the high school for the softball coach. Their initial understanding was that this move would take care of the situation. Going by the article in the paper.

 

Then they are either naive, or didn't do their homework, or both. Can't really feel too sorry for them.

Well evidently they were told his coaching position was not an issue, but his teaching position was, which prompted the move to the middle school from the high school for the softball coach. Their initial understanding was that this move would take care of the situation. Going by the article in the paper.

 

It would be interesting to know who told them that KDE, school board attorney, superintendent.... I would have asked all. All of them should have known.

Good, bad or indifferent, that's the way it is. If local school systems hadn't been used as patronage in local politics for so long, it wouldn't be an issue. But those guys instead couldn't resist the temptation to pack the schools with their relatives to take care of the family, so we have this law.

This coach in Anderson Co. got caught up in it, which is unfortunate, but I'll take that over how it used to be, when your last name determined whether you got a job or not. And like someone else mentioned above, this is surely something these brothers discussed during the hiring process. They can't be that naive.

 

So because of a bad history all schools are going to suffer? I get that it is to assure that their checks and balances system isnt tainted but what if both of these guys happen to be the best candidates for their position? Then you know who else suffers? The students

So because of a bad history all schools are going to suffer? I get that it is to assure that their checks and balances system isnt tainted but what if both of these guys happen to be the best candidates for their position? Then you know who else suffers? The students

 

"All schools are going to suffer." — overreact much?

 

Frankly, given our state's history in these matters — a history that still goes on when you look at things such as who works for your county's road department — I think the good of the law far outweighs the bad. I'll take it, in this case.

 

And I offered a solution earlier. All the softball coach has to do is become the "assistant" while still calling the shots on the field.

"All schools are going to suffer." — overreact much?

 

Frankly, given our state's history in these matters — a history that still goes on when you look at things such as who works for your county's road department — I think the good of the law far outweighs the bad. I'll take it, in this case.

 

And I offered a solution earlier. All the softball coach has to do is become the "assistant" while still calling the shots on the field.

I don't know if that would even be allowed. Speaking as someone with some site based council experience, even volunteer assistant coaches have to be approved and "hired" by the site based council/principal. I don't know how far reaching the law is on this issue, but it would not surprise me at all if it applied to volunteer assistant coaches.

I don't know if that would even be allowed. Speaking as someone with some site based council experience, even volunteer assistant coaches have to be approved and "hired" by the site based council/principal. I don't know how far reaching the law is on this issue, but it would not surprise me at all if it applied to volunteer assistant coaches.

 

Maybe so, but I know that the very scenario I describe is going on the next county over from Anderson …

"All schools are going to suffer." — overreact much?

 

Frankly, given our state's history in these matters — a history that still goes on when you look at things such as who works for your county's road department — I think the good of the law far outweighs the bad. I'll take it, in this case.

 

And I offered a solution earlier. All the softball coach has to do is become the "assistant" while still calling the shots on the field.

 

All schools have to serve by the rule, so in a sense yes, all schools suffer.

 

I see what you are saying but I don't like that we assume people to be crooked.

All schools have to serve by the rule, so in a sense yes, all schools suffer.

 

I see what you are saying but I don't like that we assume people to be crooked.

 

That's fine, but that's a utopian ideal. We have a long history in this state of abusing power for nepotistic reasons. Again, there's a reason why they made the law in the first place.

 

And I'm going to argue that your "suffering" that you refer to is very overblown.