July 12, 201313 yr Jury has been sent to deliberations. My personal opinion: He's guilty of 2nd degree murder. My prediction: Not guilty of 2nd degree murder, guilty of manslaughter.
July 12, 201313 yr Jury has been sent to deliberations. My personal opinion: He's guilty of 2nd degree murder. My prediction: Not guilty of 2nd degree murder, guilty of manslaughter. Regardless of outcome you really think he's guilty of 2nd degree murder? And I think you may be right, they come back with manslaughter.
July 12, 201313 yr Jury has been sent to deliberations. My personal opinion: He's guilty of 2nd degree murder. My prediction: Not guilty of 2nd degree murder, guilty of manslaughter. 3-pronged test in Florida for 2nd degree murder. Florida-Second-Degree-Murder-Jury-Instruction In this case the most difficult to prove is the 3rd which deals with "depraved mind" and "without regard to human life" and "ill will, hatred, spite" and "indifference to human life." That's the part that doesn't seem to have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
July 12, 201313 yr Jury has been sent to deliberations. My personal opinion: He's guilty of 2nd degree murder. My prediction: Not guilty of 2nd degree murder, guilty of manslaughter. I think we've covered this but are you saying according to the law he is guilty of 2nd degree murder?
July 12, 201313 yr I think we've covered this but are you saying according to the law he is guilty of 2nd degree murder? No, I'm saying in my opinion he is guilty of murder. I don't know what the legal criteria is for convicting him of such, so I can't speak to that.
July 12, 201313 yr 3-pronged test in Florida for 2nd degree murder. Florida-Second-Degree-Murder-Jury-Instruction In this case the most difficult to prove is the 3rd which deals with "depraved mind" and "without regard to human life" and "ill will, hatred, spite" and "indifference to human life." That's the part that doesn't seem to have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I think anytime you fire a gun into another's chest you're showing an "indifference to human life". I'm not sure they proved ill will, hatred, or spite, but I think you can make an argument that they did.
July 12, 201313 yr And I think you may be right, they come back with manslaughter. The penalty for manslaughter in Florida is 10-30 years in prison with no chance for parole.
July 12, 201313 yr I think anytime you fire a gun into another's chest you're showing an "indifference to human life". I'm not sure they proved ill will, hatred, or spite, but I think you can make an argument that they did.Not talking about this case, but by that standard would you think self defense and shooting someone else is ever justified?
July 12, 201313 yr I think anytime you fire a gun into another's chest you're showing an "indifference to human life". I'm not sure they proved ill will, hatred, or spite, but I think you can make an argument that they did. No matter the circumstance?
July 12, 201313 yr Not talking about this case, but by that standard would you think self defense and shooting someone else is ever justified? Yes.
July 12, 201313 yr No matter the circumstance? For me, no matter the circumstance. If I shoot someone in the chest I have no concern over their life. You don't shoot someone in the chest without intent to kill IMO.
July 12, 201313 yr For me, no matter the circumstance. If I shoot someone in the chest I have no concern over their life. You don't shoot someone in the chest without intent to kill IMO. True but could it be justified and legal or is it always a crime? BTW what in the heck are you doing on BGP, aren't you in NOLA?
July 12, 201313 yr The part that bugs me is that there is no evidence that says what happened when TM confronted GZ. Was there more to TM throwing the first punch? Did GZ pull the gun before the first punch was thrown? Was there conversation before the first punch was thrown? Did TM sucker punch GZ? Did TM really initiate the fight? The evidence doesn't answer those questions. Only what GZ told the cops. That's just one side of the story. The final verdict could be right or wrong based on the answers of those questions IMO.
July 12, 201313 yr The part that bugs me is that there is no evidence that says what happened when TM confronted GZ. Was there more to TM throwing the first punch? Did GZ pull the gun before the first punch was thrown? Was there conversation before the first punch was thrown? Did TM sucker punch GZ? Did TM really initiate the fight? The evidence doesn't answer those questions. Only what GZ told the cops. That's just one side of the story. The final verdict could be right or wrong based on the answers of those questions IMO. 100% agree with this post...therein lies probable doubt
July 12, 201313 yr True but could it be justified and legal or is it always a crime? BTW what in the heck are you doing on BGP, aren't you in NOLA? I think it can be justified. It's not always a crime. We aren't talking about this case though. Nap time. Started early and needed a break so we can go hard on the boulevard tonight. . Beignets on deck around 11pm!!!!!
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