May 21, 201313 yr We are not talking about drinking, etc. A felony is a serious matter and should be treated as such. After a student has been released by the court system, they are free and clear. Many school districts have policies that if a student is in trouble off campus, it can affect things on campus. Im sorry that in 36 of the 50 states underage drinking can or is a felony charge, my bad, im glad to know you feel underage drinking isn't a serious matter.
May 21, 201313 yr No because if your a minor as most high schoolers are and you get charged as an adult, you did something bad.
May 21, 201313 yr Why would you let them play? Where is your line in what is unacceptable behavior by a participant in extracurricular activities? What is bad enough to keep them from participating? Just curious. Something that prevents them from being in my school. If the law allows them to be an active student at the school then I'd let them play. It's not my place to be judge and jury and I wouldn't assume that role in this situation. I'm not going to prevent a kid attending school with everyone else from playing sports. The 'message' is sent the day the felon shows up in home room.
May 21, 201313 yr Im sorry that in 36 of the 50 states underage drinking can or is a felony charge, my bad, im glad to know you feel underage drinking isn't a serious matter. Don't put words in my mouth. I never said underage drinking is not a serious issue. I'm telling you, in most instances it it not a felony in the eyes of the court.
May 22, 201313 yr What I don't understand is how a school would know if a Juvenile has been accused/convicted of a Felony unless the school brought the charges. Juvenile dockets are sealed and the school shouldn't know. Also, I don't understand where are when we lost the notion of "restorative justice" - most of the comments on here are about punishment, but nothing about making a victim or perpetrator whole again. Shouldn't that really what school "justice" should be? Making folks whole, again? A teenager, committing a felony, is a broken human being. Should we simply punish or try to restore/fix the brokenness? Kid gets caught drinking, is it better to discard the kid and kick her off of the team, or do we say your participation is based on conditions. . . i.e. you have to attend AlAnon meetings regularly and make a couple of speeches to the middle school or some other group about the dangers of underage drinking. I would tend to think the second solution is much better.
May 22, 201313 yr What I don't understand is how a school would know if a Juvenile has been accused/convicted of a Felony unless the school brought the charges. Juvenile dockets are sealed and the school shouldn't know. Also, I don't understand where are when we lost the notion of "restorative justice" - most of the comments on here are about punishment, but nothing about making a victim or perpetrator whole again. Shouldn't that really what school "justice" should be? Making folks whole, again? A teenager, committing a felony, is a broken human being. Should we simply punish or try to restore/fix the brokenness? Kid gets caught drinking, is it better to discard the kid and kick her off of the team, or do we say your participation is based on conditions. . . i.e. you have to attend AlAnon meetings regularly and make a couple of speeches to the middle school or some other group about the dangers of underage drinking. I would tend to think the second solution is much better. Seems as though people are more caught up in the punishment and consequences aspect instead of rehabilitating the behavior and as you said, make the whole again. I'm with you, make them whole again.
May 22, 201313 yr Seems as though people are more caught up in the punishment and consequences aspect instead of rehabilitating the behavior and as you said, make the whole again. I'm with you, make them whole again. Part of rehabilitation is that the person understands that their choices have consequences, they accept the responsibility for those choices and they serve whatever punishment is given to them. A person can't be rehabilitated until they admit there is a problem. I do not advocate throwing kids away at all, exactly the opposite.
May 23, 201313 yr Part of rehabilitation is that the person understands that their choices have consequences, they accept the responsibility for those choices and they serve whatever punishment is given to them. A person can't be rehabilitated until they admit there is a problem. I do not advocate throwing kids away at all, exactly the opposite. If they are involved in making the victim whole, is that not realizing consequences? There is nothing therapeutic about prison/jail.
May 23, 201313 yr If they are involved in making the victim whole, is that not realizing consequences? There is nothing therapeutic about prison/jail. So, are you advocating no punishment for crimes?
May 23, 201313 yr So, are you advocating no punishment for crimes? If the kid has on an ankle bracelet he's obviously receiving some form of punishment.
May 24, 201313 yr So, are you advocating no punishment for crimes? I am asking what does more good - Punishment or restoration?
May 24, 201313 yr Author What I don't understand is how a school would know if a Juvenile has been accused/convicted of a Felony unless the school brought the charges. Juvenile dockets are sealed and the school shouldn't know. . Plenty of seniors are 18 or 19.
May 25, 201313 yr School districts generally have a court lesion and school officials are permitted and often are encouraged to attend proceedings in cases where their students are charged. Judges often impose sanctions that include behavior, attendance, and work completion at school. Our family court sends the docket to school administrators on a weekly basis so that the school can have an administrator there. The administrator is often asked to give a report of school progress no matter what the charge was or where the crime was committed.
May 25, 201313 yr School districts generally have a court lesion and school officials are permitted and often are encouraged to attend proceedings in cases where their students are charged. Judges often impose sanctions that include behavior, attendance, and work completion at school. Our family court sends the docket to school administrators on a weekly basis so that the school can have an administrator there. The administrator is often asked to give a report of school progress no matter what the charge was or where the crime was committed. So if Juvenile records and such are supposed to be seal and private, how can they send this list out to schools. Sounds like a rights violation to me.
May 25, 201313 yr So if Juvenile records and such are supposed to be seal and private, how can they send this list out to schools. Sounds like a rights violation to me. If the school is involved in the enforcement of any sentence, they need to know. What about the duty of the school to protect the other students and their rights? Many schools have resource officers that are badged law enforcement that they can restrict the information to. The rights and protection of the innocent outweigh the rights of the criminal.
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