Shame On Us?

[Run To State]

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How about same on you, Mr. President. Shame on you for continuing to shamelessly use the deaths of innocent children to push your useless agenda. Legislation that will do nothing to prevent that kind of heinous crime from happening. Shame on you for continually trying to guilt the American people into feeling if they don't agree with you they hate children. Shame on you and your cohorts for constantly pushing lies and for your fear mongering tactics. But then, the shameless feel no shame.

[Clyde]

It's fair to argue that specific proposed legislation is not well-conceived. No question.

 

However, he is 100% correct that we have , as a country, "moved on." Happens all the time. We're not great thinkers. We're short-term focused. Newtown? Oh yeah. Newtown. Forgot about that. Sad.

 

So, in regards ONLY to the issue of "moving on" I, too, say "shame on us."

[Run To State]

It's fair to argue that specific proposed legislation is not well-conceived. No question.

 

However, he is 100% correct that we have , as a country, "moved on." Happens all the time. We're not great thinkers. We're short-term focused. Newtown? Oh yeah. Newtown. Forgot about that. Sad.

 

So, in regards ONLY to the issue of "moving on" I, too, say "shame on us."

Moved on? I got news. They moved on from the get go. It was NEVER about protecting children and it isn't now. It's about their agenda, plain and simple. They're shamelessly using the deaths of children for their agenda, that's what is sad. Shame on them.

[Clyde]

Moved on? I got news. They moved on from the get go. It was NEVER about protecting children and it isn't now. It's about their agenda, plain and simple. They're shamelessly using the deaths of children for their agenda, that's what is sad. Shame on them.

 

Do they have an agenda? Sure. So does anit-gun control. News? They would argue you're (collective) ignoring deaths of children just to have your chance to own big guns. What's new here?

 

Your argument does not refute anything I've said. Shame on us for moving on from the real tragedy. The deaths are secondary (to both sides IMO).

[Trinity alum]

Moved on? I got news. They moved on from the get go. It was NEVER about protecting children and it isn't now. It's about their agenda, plain and simple. They're shamelessly using the deaths of children for their agenda, that's what is sad. Shame on them.

 

NO!!! Would a background check have stopped this guy? Probably not, since he stole weapons from his mother. Would it stop someone else in his situation whose mother didn't have an arsenal? Maybe. Would limits on magazine size have slowed this guy down and saved some lives? We'll never know, but I think that you can make a very good argument that it would have. He was carrying 10, 30 round clips. Could he have carried 30, 10 round clips? Maybe.

 

You seem to have channeled the President's motives. I have just as much right to channel your motives. I think you have let your irrational hatred of the current president become so dominant for you that it controls your position on every issue. I have no basis for making that charge, but I have as much knowledge of your motives as you do the President's.

[Randy Parker]

Have we moved on or are we just not find any middle ground on this issue, therefore it seems like we've moved on?

[Clyde]

Have we moved on or are we just not find any middle ground on this issue, therefore it seems like we've moved on?

 

Two different "moved on's:"

 

Politically/legislatively

Personally

[Randy Parker]

Two different "moved on's:"

 

Politically/legislatively

Personally

 

Which one are you speaking of? I was referring to the political side.

[Clyde]

Which one are you speaking of? I was referring to the political side.

 

Personal.

[jolmstead]

As much as conservatives complain about liberals being entitled, when it comes to gun issues, conservatives are the ones that are entitled. If they viewed gun ownership as a privilege instead of an entitlement we might have a better chance of some productive discussion. The Newtown shooter got off 150 rounds in 5 minutes. Gun advocates would not hesitate to defend the rights of this shooter to possess either the weapons or ammunition this used here. They would also enthusiastically defend the right of the shooter to obtain weapons and ammunition illegally obtained from the parent.

[All Tell]

Never let a crisis go to waste--Rahm Emanual

 

I'd say it's fair to assume what the President's motives are. And before you say it, yes I take everything that Obama says with a massive grain of salt because I believe that he is more interested in pushing his agenda then in what's good for the country as a whole. And I'm no worse in that position then you are in defending him on anything he says or does.

[CBDV]

As much as conservatives complain about liberals being entitled, when it comes to gun issues, conservatives are the ones that are entitled. If they viewed gun ownership as a privilege instead of an entitlement we might have a better chance of some productive discussion. The Newtown shooter got off 150 rounds in 5 minutes. Gun advocates would not hesitate to defend the rights of this shooter to possess either the weapons or ammunition this used here. They would also enthusiastically defend the right of the shooter to obtain weapons and ammunition illegally obtained from the parent.

 

It is not a privilege, it is a right guaranteed to us by The Bill of Rights. IT SAYS SO!!!!!!!

 

Unlike insurance, which is a privileged and is not guaranteed in the Bill of Rights........can't have it both ways.

[Trinity alum]

Never let a crisis go to waste--Rahm Emanual

 

I'd say it's fair to assume what the President's motives are. And before you say it, yes I take everything that Obama says with a massive grain of salt because I believe that he is more interested in pushing his agenda then in what's good for the country as a whole. And I'm no worse in that position then you are in defending him on anything he says or does.

 

 

How about if he believes that his adenda IS what is best for the country as a whole? Then it makes perfect sense for him to push his agenda. In fact, he would be derelect if he didn't push his agenda.

[History]

How about if he believes that his adenda IS what is best for the country as a whole? Then it makes perfect sense for him to push his agenda. In fact, he would be derelect if he didn't push his agenda.

 

And we would be derelict for not calling him out on it...

[Run To State]

NO!!! Would a background check have stopped this guy? Probably not, since he stole weapons from his mother. Would it stop someone else in his situation whose mother didn't have an arsenal? Maybe. Would limits on magazine size have slowed this guy down and saved some lives? We'll never know, but I think that you can make a very good argument that it would have. He was carrying 10, 30 round clips. Could he have carried 30, 10 round clips? Maybe.

 

You seem to have channeled the President's motives. I have just as much right to channel your motives. I think you have let your irrational hatred of the current president become so dominant for you that it controls your position on every issue. I have no basis for making that charge, but I have as much knowledge of your motives as you do the President's.

No! You're letting your endless, irrational, blind support for the president control your position on every issue. See, I can make that work for you as well.

You're ignoring the facts. He has been anti-gun long since before he was president. I'm not so easily duped as his followers. So, I know his motives because he made them clear a long time ago.

 

Any legislation in the works to ban any psychotropic drugs in the works? I haven't seen any and if there is, we sure don't see any push from the administration for it like banning guns. Why is that? Because it has zero to do with Sandy Hook, the children or protecting anyone.