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Artic Ice is disappearing at an accelerating rate

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I don't think it is only Americans, but nonetheless man is speeding the global warming. I know we have had a posts before about this, but I don't believe we can have too many!

 

'Grave indicator': Penguins' survival at stake as Antarctic ice disappears - World News

 

He says it’s mostly Americans, who have confused politics with science by questioning global climate change.

 

"We have all the information now, that's clear enough,” said Genevois. "There's no argument any more. You have to be either a liar or be crazy not to understand what we are doing to change the climate. We are responsible, that's for sure."

Might as well say it before someone else does.

 

 

Nothing to see here. Move along.:lol2:

I agree many Americans question global warming. However, is there any nation attacking the causes of global warming more aggressively than the US? I believe China and other developing nations with little or no environmental policies in place need to be questioned more than the US.

I agree many Americans question global warming. However, is there any nation attacking the causes of global warming more aggressively than the US? I believe China and other developing nations with little or no environmental policies in place need to be questioned more than the US.

 

Other countries (those in Europe primarily) would rather gripe about the US than the primary offenders, China being one.

 

That said, I support the US 's continued efforts to reduce emissions even if I have to pay a little more for gasoline and electricity.

The problem I have is that the earth's climate has always had periods of heat and cold, so I question how much man has to do with the climate change currently happening. When someone says there's no debate that it's man's fault, my radar goes up. That said, I agree we're contributing and we need to continue to improve our impact on the environment.

Hard to take guys like the author seriously when you can do a quick google search and find articles from just as reputable sources claiming the exact opposite as true....

The problem I have is that the earth's climate has always had periods of heat and cold, so I question how much man has to do with the climate change currently happening. When someone says there's no debate that it's man's fault, my radar goes up. That said, I agree we're contributing and we need to continue to improve our impact on the environment.

 

From what I gather there is near unanimous consensus among experts that there is increasingly more carbon in the atmosphere than when it first began to be measured, that more carbon in the atmosphere contributes to an increased greenhouse effect and warmer temperatures, and that temperatures have been gradually getting warmer. I think there's more disagreement about things like predicting what the temperature will be in 20 years or whether things like hurricane strength can be a measurable indicator or other things on the periphery. But, on the basics of carbon in the atmosphere there's near unanimous consensus. I also don't think it demands a specific set of policies to combat it. One can accept the science, but disagree with the policies many support because of it.

Most Americans do not know who is buried in Grants tomb. So to blame the public's lack of knowledge on the subject on those who have questioned the causes of climate change is tiresome political attack - no surprise.

 

Does 'global warming' occur - yes. Is it anthropogenic? That is the real question.

 

I would like to see how many Americans know what anthropogenic global warming is.

 

The global warming alarmist have suffered extreme set backs with the rampant fraud they pushed. It is they who have confused the public with their fraudulent research. There has been a historical correlation between CO2 and global temperature - of that there is no doubt. The Vostok ice cores and other methods bear that out. But which is the chicken and which is the egg? The assumption was that CO2 caused the rise in temperature even though it is possible and even likely at this point that CO2 is an effect and not a cause.

I agree many Americans question global warming. However, is there any nation attacking the causes of global warming more aggressively than the US? I believe China and other developing nations with little or no environmental policies in place need to be questioned more than the US.

 

Probably so.

 

To which I would say - if we don't lead by example, who will?

The problem I have is that the earth's climate has always had periods of heat and cold, so I question how much man has to do with the climate change currently happening. When someone says there's no debate that it's man's fault, my radar goes up. That said, I agree we're contributing and we need to continue to improve our impact on the environment.

 

Agreed on all counts.

Probably so.

 

To which I would say - if we don't lead by example, who will?

 

I agree we should lead the way as if we don't we have no moral authority at all. Where it becomes troublesome is if we hamper our economy big time and the elephant in the room doesn't follow and so there's little overall effect. It's a real dilema as to balance.

The problem I have is that the earth's climate has always had periods of heat and cold, so I question how much man has to do with the climate change currently happening. When someone says there's no debate that it's man's fault, my radar goes up. That said, I agree we're contributing and we need to continue to improve our impact on the environment.

 

I'm with you on this. Also the fact that the planet's axis has shifted, also a natural phenomenon to where places that used to be warmer will slowly become colder and vice versa

I'm with you on this. Also the fact that the planet's axis has shifted, also a natural phenomenon to where places that used to be warmer will slowly become colder and vice versa

 

Wasn't aware of that. I would have loved to have been an earth sciences major as it's very interesting.

Wasn't aware of that. I would have loved to have been an earth sciences major as it's very interesting.

 

Natural climate change can also be affected by forces outside Earth’s atmosphere. For instance, the 100,000-year cycles of ice ages are probably related to changes in the tilt of Earth’s axis and the shape of its orbit around the sun. Those planetary factors change slowly over time and affect how much of the sun’s energy reaches different parts of the world in different seasons.

 

It's something a lot of the global warming folks keep leaving out. There have been around 4 ice ages in the last 500,000 years and everytime there is an ice age the ice eventually melts....it's just how it goes.

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Probably so.

 

To which I would say - if we don't lead by example, who will?

 

The US is behind most of Western Europe, and not that I often care about what the Europeans think, but they have been critical of the US for over a decade on this very point.

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