cshs81 to answer post #15 first-You are correct .If you have a great 3 pt. shooter you may record a couple of "easy" assists.

Now about the "last pass assist rule"-I have heard of that in hockey but not in basketball.I am also aware of 2 assists being awarded for one putout in baseball but I was not aware of that being the case in basketball.

cshs81 to answer post #15 first-You are correct .If you have a great 3 pt. shooter you may record a couple of "easy" assists.

Now about the "last pass assist rule"-I have heard of that in hockey but not in basketball.I am also aware of 2 assists being awarded for one putout in baseball but I was not aware of that being the case in basketball.

Same here, i've never heard that definition ruled in basketball. I don't think any credible stats keeper would reward an assist in that instance.

In basketball, an assist is attributed to a player who passes the ball to a teammate in a way that leads to a score, meaning that he or she was "assisting" in the basket. According to the Official 2004 NCAA Basketball Statistics Rules, an assist has to be "a major part of the play," which either finds the player already with a "positional advantage", or helps him or her get one. There is thus some judgement involved in deciding whether a player deserves an assist.

In basketball, an assist is attributed to a player who passes the ball to a teammate in a way that leads to a score, meaning that he or she was "assisting" in the basket. According to the Official 2004 NCAA Basketball Statistics Rules, an assist has to be "a major part of the play," which either finds the player already with a "positional advantage", or helps him or her get one. There is thus some judgement involved in deciding whether a player deserves an assist.

Whats KHSAA definition?

I got that from a encyclopedia website.

I got that from a encyclopedia website.

I've just never heard in basketball a player being awarded an assist, and not being the passer that threw the last past.

Tyler Mains underrated. 100% correct.

Tyler Mains underrated. 100% correct.

 

The Enquirer should know. Since the Enquirer insist that Pendleton County is part of NKY it was nice that they ran the following headline:

 

Mains carries Mustangs

 

Boys' basketball: Pendleton County 59, Brossart 54

 

Least they could have got his team's name correct.

To me an assist is any pass which contributes directly to a basket.There is a misconception involving dribbles.Many believe that if a dribble is involved no assist should be credited-this is incorrect.Use this example-your big man grabs a def. reb. and throws a perfect outlet to the a guard streaking down the court.The guard catches the ball in full stride 15 feet from the bucket without a def. man in sight and takes a dribble and lays it in-that is an assist.However let us assume the streaking guard misses the shot and puts his own rebound in-that is not an assist even though I understand people have been credited with one.Also no assist can be given to someone who makes both free throws after a great pass is made to set up the free throws.By the same token if a pass is made to a shooter who head/jab fakes several times and then makes a basket an assist is not necessarily in order.If one looks over the history of how assists are credited I'm sure that you will see that the definition has became more "liberal" over the years.For instance I believe Larry Conley let UK in assists for three consecutive years in the mid-60s and never avg. more than 3.3 per yr. and one year was below 3.0.Just as most career and individual rebound records were set 40-50 years at many schools most assist records have happened in the last 10-15 years.

 

 

And this has been in the last 15 yrs things have gotten more liberal....I held the Assist record at my High school and it was recently broken by a really good player.. :cry:

 

I cant say his assist are not legit as he was going to break it anyway, doing it in his JR year.... but sometimes I hear NBA games where the ball has been out of the hands of the guard for like 4 seconds and the forward makes a shot and they credit the guard for the assist. Wrong...

Per the NCAA stats guideline:

 

SECTION 5—ASSISTS

A player is credited with an assist when the player makes, in the judgment

of the statistician, the principal pass contributing directly to a field goal

(or an awarded score of two or three points). Only one assist is to be credited on any field goal and only when the pass was a major part of the play.

 

Such a pass should be either (a) a pass that finds a player free after he

or she has maneuvered without the ball for a positional advantage, or (b) a

pass that gives the receiving player a positional advantage he or she otherwise would not have had.

 

Philosophy. An assist should be more than a routine pass that just happens

to be followed by a field goal. It should be a conscious effort to find

the open player or to help a player work free. There should not be a limit on

the number of dribbles by the receiver. It is not even necessary that the

assist be given on the last pass.There is no restraint on the distance or type

of shot made, for these are not the crucial factors in determining whether

an assist should be credited.

 

A.R. 1. Adams passes to Allen who is breaking for the basket and

Allen shoots and scores. (a) Allen was free when he or she got the

pass, (b) Allen was well guarded and had to make a move to get free,

or © Allen was guarded but had no problem getting the shot off.

RULING: In (a), credit Adams with an assist. In (b), do not credit

Adams with an assist. In ©, it will be a matter for the statistician to

decide the relative importance of the pass. If the statistician thinks

that the pass gave the shooter enough advantage to shoot, then an

assist should be credited to Adams.

 

A.R. 2. Adams passes to Allen, who (a) in the same motion with

which Allen receives the pass shoots a hook shot and scores or (b)

turns around and falls away as he or she shoots and scores. RULING:

In (a), credit Adams with an assist. In (b), since it appears that

Allen had to make quite a move to work free, do not credit Adams

with an assist.

 

A.R. 3. Adams lobs the ball to Allen, who catches it and shoots

while still in the air and scores.RULING: Credit Adams with an assist.

 

A.R. 4. (a) Adams throws a long inbounds pass or (b) takes a

rebound off the defensive board and throws a long outlet pass to

Allen, who shoots and scores. RULING: In both instances, unless

Allen had to make a move to get free after catching the pass, credit

Adams with an assist.

 

A.R. 5. Adams passes to Allen, who is about 20 feet from the basket.

Allen immediately shoots and scores. RULING: This probably is

the toughest decision involving assists. If Adams found Allen

unguarded, Adams probably should get the assist. If the ball merely

was being passed around in hopes of finding a way to penetrate the

defense and Allen merely decided to shoot, then no assist should be

credited.

 

A.R. 6. On an inbounds play under the basket, Adams passes to

Allen who is in the area of the free-throw circle behind a double

screen. Allen shoots and scores. RULING: Credit Adams with an

assist.

 

A.R. 7. Adams dribbles into the lane and draws the defense to him

or her. Adams then hits Allen with the pass. Allen is open, shoots and

scores. RULING: Credit Adams with an assist.

 

A.R. 8. Adams dribbles to the free-throw line, turns away from the

basket and flips the ball to Allen while at the same time setting a

screen for Allen. Allen now is open, shoots and scores. RULING:

Credit Adams with an assist.

 

A.R. 9. Adams passes to Allen in a situation that normally would

warrant an assist but does not produce a field goal because (a) there

is defensive goaltending or defensive basket interference, (b) Allen is

fouled in the act of shooting, or © Allen travels, fumbles the pass out

of bounds or has the shot blocked. RULING: In (a), there will be an

awarded score, so credit Adams with an assist. In (b) and ©, no

assist will be awarded.

 

A.R. 10. After taking a rebound off the defensive board, Adams

passes quickly to Allen at the division (i.e., mid-court) line. (a) Allen

is open but passes to Adler, who scores an uncontested layup; (b)

Allen is open but passes back to Adams, who had broken to the basket

immediately after the first pass and receives Allen’s pass to score

the uncontested layup; © Allen is covered and passes to Adler, who

scores an uncontested layup; or (d) Allen is covered, passes to Adler,

who returns the ball to Allen, who then scores having lost his or her

defensive man after the pass to Adler. RULING: In (a), credit Adams

with an assist. In (b) and ©, credit Allen with an assist. In (d), credit

Adler with an assist.

 

A.R. 11. Adams goes up to either shoot or pass. The ball goes

straight up, is caught by Allen, who is open and scores. RULING: No

assist is credited.

 

A.R. 12. Adams passes to Allen.The ball is deflected and is caught

by Adler who is open for a layup. RULING: No assist is credited.

 

A.R. 13. In a jump-ball situation, Adams controls the tip to Allen,

who is open for a layup. RULING: If it is evident that Adams had sufficient

control and intended to tip the ball to Allen, then credit Adams

with an assist.

 

A.R. 14. Adams passes the length of the court to Allen who is

open far behind the defense. Allen shoots a layup, misses, but immediately

rebounds and makes a follow shot before any of the defensive

players get close. RULING: Credit Adams with an assist.

 

Note: While a fair amount of latitude exists in deciding whether to award

an assist, an attempt has been made to achieve some level of consistency.

It is impossible to specify how many assists should be given during a

game. However, from game analysis, about 50-60 percent of a team’s field

goals involve the crediting of an assist. This is only an average figure; individual games and individual teams may vary considerably and may not fall

within this range. The style of play of the teams involved will have a bearing

on the number of assists credited. If a play-by-play is available, check it

to determine what types of shots were made. Chances are, these factors

will help you decide whether you are correctly awarding assists.

It is strongly recommended that the same member of the crew of statisticians

be responsible for keeping assists for both teams and that this person’s

duties other than keeping assists not be so great as to hamper the

keeping of assists. By having the same person keep assists for both teams,

the differences of opinion that exist in borderline cases will not affect the

balance between the two teams.

I've just never heard in basketball a player being awarded an assist, and not being the passer that threw the last past.

 

Despite that, its true.

 

Here is the NCAA handbook. On the left, click on Section 5 and read away:

 

Its still a subjective call.

 

http://www.ncaa.org/library/statistical/basketball_stats_manual/2005/2005_basketball_stats.pdf

Scott has surprised me more than Simon Kenton.

I think mains' performance against Brosart might be one to recognize. He scored 32 points at the Seiter center and the mustangs pride theirself on defense.

 

I also like mains as most underrated but one to think about for the same award is clines from cambell county. He has impressed me in the games i saw him play.

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In basketball, an assist is attributed to a player who passes the ball to a teammate in a way that leads to a score, meaning that he or she was "assisting" in the basket. According to the Official 2004 NCAA Basketball Statistics Rules, an assist has to be "a major part of the play," which either finds the player already with a "positional advantage", or helps him or her get one. There is thus some judgement involved in deciding whether a player deserves an assist.

 

Thanks NKYBOY and everyone for helping with the interpretation of an assist. I found it very beneficial and I can only hope others will as well. :thumb:

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Thanks NKYBOY and everyone for helping with the interpretation of an assist. I found it very beneficial and I can only hope others will as well. :thumb:

 

You, or anyone that does stats or is just interested, might want to read over the steals and blocks part too in the NCAA guide. I learned some new things for sure.