No. The ump is also not supposed to wait until the last second to make the call, like he did.

 

Ill post part of the rule again for you.

 

"When it seems apparent that a batted ball will be an Infield Fly, the umpire shall immediately declare “Infield Fly” for the benefit of the runners. If the ball is near the baselines, the umpire shall declare “Infield Fly, if Fair.”"

 

Note the word "immediately".

 

You're not following along. He called it "immediately" once it became apparent to him that it was ordinary effort.

If they make any move towards the next base following it being called, does that remove their protection?

 

Nope. The call gives them the right to not advance OR it gives them right to run but they have to be tagged since the force is removed immediately.

For one it was not a routine play. Anytime an infielder has to go halfway to the outfield to catch a ball it's difficult.

 

Second, the umpire has to make a quicker decision. When the umpire threw his hand up the ball was right above the fielder. If the umpire has to wait that Lon to make the call then its not a routine play.

Nope. The call gives them the right to not advance OR it gives them right to run but they have to be tagged since the force is removed immediately.

 

Gotcha. Well, I guess I'll just roll with that it was unfortunate. As I said, I was glad the Braves placed the blame where it belonged, on their errors and lack of hitting. God knows they handled it better than the fans.

 

You're not following along. He called it "immediately" once it became apparent to him that it was ordinary effort.

 

:lol: So he couldn't determine that the effort was ordinary until the ball was almost on the ground? That makes it pretty obvious to me that it wasn't an ordinary effort at all.

For one it was not a routine play. Anytime an infielder has to go halfway to the outfield to catch a ball it's difficult.

 

Second, the umpire has to make a quicker decision. When the umpire threw his hand up the ball was right above the fielder. If the umpire has to wait that Lon to make the call then its not a routine play.

 

I don't recall "routine play" being part of the rule wording. I disagree with your "any time an infielder..." comment.

 

In a perfect world the umpire makes a faster call. Again, that part of it has no bearing on the play or the interpretation of the rule.

For one it was not a routine play. Anytime an infielder has to go halfway to the outfield to catch a ball it's difficult.

 

Second, the umpire has to make a quicker decision. When the umpire threw his hand up the ball was right above the fielder. If the umpire has to wait that Lon to make the call then its not a routine play.

 

Yes and yes.

:lol: So he couldn't determine that the effort was ordinary until the ball was almost on the ground? That makes it pretty obvious to me that it wasn't an ordinary effort at all.

 

The ball was 20 to 30 feet in the air when he raised his hand. He waited until he determined the SS was able to get under it .

 

Your definition of "ordinary effort" is different than that used by umpires.

 

I don't recall "routine play" being part of the rule wording. I disagree with your "any time an infielder..." comment.

 

In a perfect world the umpire makes a faster call. Again, that part of it has no bearing on the play or the interpretation of the rule.

 

I think ordinary effort and routine play are essentially the same thing. Anything that isn't routine probably takes more than an ordinary effort. Wouldn't you think?

 

I don't recall "routine play" being part of the rule wording. I disagree with your "any time an infielder..." comment.

 

In a perfect world the umpire makes a faster call. Again, that part of it has no bearing on the play or the interpretation of the rule.

 

Sorry I guess I would compare the phrases ordinary effort and routine play.

For one it was not a routine play. Anytime an infielder has to go halfway to the outfield to catch a ball it's difficult.

 

 

Say the SS runs out the same distance, gets under it with the ball being 20 to 30 feet off of the ground, raises his glove above his head but drops the ball after it hits in the palm of his glove. Error?

 

Say the SS runs out the same distance, gets under it with the ball being 20 to 30 feet off of the ground, raises his glove above his head but drops the ball after it hits in the palm of his glove. Error?

 

It's an error. Not sure what you're getting at.

Sorry I guess I would compare the phrases ordinary effort and routine play.

 

What do you consider a good definition of "ordinary effort" to be?

It's an error. Not sure what you're getting at.

 

You give errors on balls that should have been caught without extraordinary effort ie a dive. The guy was setting up to put his glove up until he heard something. He was where he was supposed to be to catch the ball ie ordinary effort.

From the MLB rulebook:

 

 

ORDINARY EFFORT is the effort that a fielder of average skill at a position in that league or classification of leagues should exhibit on a play, with due consideration given to the condition of the field and weather conditions.

Rule 2.00 (Ordinary Effort) Comment: This standard, called for several times in the Official Scoring Rules (e.g., Rules 10.05(a)(3), 10.05(a)(4), 10.05(a)(6), 10.05(b)(3) (Base Hits); 10.08(b) (Sacrifices); 10.12(a)(1) Comment, 10.12(d)(2) (Errors); and 10.13(a), 10.13(b) (Wild Pitches and Passed Balls)) and in the Official Baseball Rules (e.g., Rule 2.00 (Infield Fly)), is an objective standard in regard to any particular fielder. In other words, even if a fielder makes his best effort, if that effort falls short of what an average fielder at that position in that league would have made in a situation, the official scorer should charge that fielder with an error.

 

I saw ordinary effort.