It was by no means the right call. We can argue about it ill were blue in the face but it was the wrong call. We see that same play a thousand times during the regular season and throughout every game. That call has never been made before.

Incorrect. Watch it again. He never camped under the ball. He moved back until he either heard the outfielder or realized he wouldn't make it. But you and I definitely have a different definition of camping if you think he camped under that ball.

 

Just watched it again. He drifts back, puts his right hand out to signal the LFer he has it, brought his glove hand up , stopped running, and then bailed.

 

Just watched it again. He drifts back, puts his right hand out to signal the LFer he has it, brought his glove hand up , stopped running, and then bailed.

 

It's not an infield fly though. We see that same play all the time. Umpire blew it plain and simple.

It was by no means the right call. We can argue about it ill were blue in the face but it was the wrong call. We see that same play a thousand times during the regular season and throughout every game. That call has never been made before.

 

It was called this year in Chicago.

I'm glad that all the players blamed themselves (as they should) rather than the one call. The call was devastating, ultimately costing them at least one run (that would have walked in when McCann walked) and would have given them bases loaded with 1 out in a 6-4 game projecting that McCann walk. Even without it, bases loaded and a 6-3 game and 1 out is a heck of a lot better than what they got. But the errors are why they lost the game, and secondarily the unbelievable amount of men they left on base. As a Braves fan, it's frustrating that they were even in the position to be in this game since under the old rules they'd have been in the NLDS. But there will most likely come a time that the Braves will make it as the second wild card and I'll be grateful. It is what it is, just another disappointing chapter for a team that seems to have little else but them in the postseason. The Braves are a good organization that runs a pretty good team over the season, but the postseason just continues to mystify them.

It's not an infield fly though. We see that same play all the time. Umpire blew it plain and simple.

 

It's easy to say it was a blown call but back it up with actual wording of the rule. What part of the rule was blown?

 

Incorrect. The umpire has to make a decision. He has to see what type of effort it takes to get to the point of being able to catch the ball. Umpires are taught to be sure before they call it. Once the SS put his hand out to wave off the LFer and stopped running the umpire then raised his hand because he was able to determine the level of effort.

 

There is no speed requirement for making the call. If the runners are not watching for his signal and then reacting accordingly that's on them.

 

Hate the rule all you want. Say provisions need to be added. However, don't say it wasn't enforced properly based on the judgment of the umpire.

 

I don't mind the rule when it's called correctly. In this case the ump made a bad call.

BTW, as to where they were, that to me, is a judgment call. My problem was the extreme lateness of the call. Is that allowed? I'll take Clyde's word that it is. But the ump never points up to invoke the rule until literally one second before the ball hits the ground. It would have been tough for the runners to do anything with that at that point.

I don't mind the rule when it's called correctly. In this case the ump made a bad call.

 

Your only contention can be the "normal effort" part of the rule. You may not think it was normal effort but you realize it's a judgement call, right? You saw it differently than the umpire.

 

It's easy to say it was a blown call but back it up with actual wording of the rule. What part of the rule was blown?

 

Give me a few.

 

It's easy to say it was a blown call but back it up with actual wording of the rule. What part of the rule was blown?

 

The fact that it wasn't an ordinary effort? That the ump didn't immediately make the call?

 

It was a fly ball in the outfield that the infielder couldn't make a play on. He NEVER got to where the ball landed.

BTW, as to where they were, that to me, is a judgment call. My problem was the extreme lateness of the call. Is that allowed? I'll take Clyde's word that it is. But the ump never points up to invoke the rule until literally one second before the ball hits the ground. It would have been tough for the runners to do anything with that at that point.

 

1. There is no wording in the rules as to how fast you to make a determination. Getting it right is more important then getting it called quickly.

2. If the runners are paying attention as they should be AND if they know the rules they know they can simply return to their base without being called out once the IFF is called. Either they or the 3rd base coach has to be watching the umpire and then they have to react accordingly.

 

Your only contention can be the "normal effort" part of the rule. You may not think it was normal effort but you realize it's a judgement call, right? You saw it differently than the umpire.

 

No. The ump is also not supposed to wait until the last second to make the call, like he did.

 

Ill post part of the rule again for you.

 

"When it seems apparent that a batted ball will be an Infield Fly, the umpire shall immediately declare “Infield Fly” for the benefit of the runners. If the ball is near the baselines, the umpire shall declare “Infield Fly, if Fair.”"

 

Note the word "immediately".

The fact that it wasn't an ordinary effort? That the ump didn't immediately make the call?

 

It was a fly ball in the outfield that the infielder couldn't make a play on. He NEVER got to where the ball landed.

 

 

If he had not bailed the ball was going to be right next to him maybe a foot behind him. He got there. Again, the amount of time it took to call it has no bearing on the call.

 

How would you define ordinary effort?

1. There is no wording in the rules as to how fast you to make a determination. Getting it right is more important then getting it called quickly.

2. If the runners are paying attention as they should be AND if they know the rules they know they can simply return to their base without being called out once the IFF is called. Either they or the 3rd base coach has to be watching the umpire and then they have to react accordingly.

 

If they make any move towards the next base following it being called, does that remove their protection?