T does what they can do because they can and others can't. There have been a million threads talking about the success of Trinity and Highlands, all of those things aren't possible at all schools in KY, especially small and rural schools.

 

I think more schools can do what Highlands does but it takes an unbelievable commitment by everyone involved in a school/program/community.

Give me an example of what T has done that Conner can do or Raceland can do.

I wasn't saying it has, or will happen in every class. But I'm sure it has on some level. For example Highlands began platooning, something that Trinity has done for some time. Did they learn that from Trinity? Not really, it's been done before, but nonetheless something Trinity has done in the state.

 

But, for the purpose of discussion: Raceland went to a 50/50 pass/run offense several years back, something that I though we would never do due to not having enough athletes. But, after seeing it for several years, I realized you don't need anymore athletes to run a passing offense then a running offense. Trinity may not have started the spread offense, but they have proven that you need to be multifaceted. We have learned that.

 

How about learning that to be good at football, you have to make it a priority. Trinity has made football a priority. Perhaps other schools could learn that by merely making football more of priority, they see their program grow and prosper.

Give me an example of what T has done that Conner can do or Raceland can do.

 

Well according to Raceland fans, Fairview does it, every year, but I don't think it has worked to the success like it has at Trinity.

I think more schools can do what Highlands does but it takes an unbelievable commitment by everyone involved in a school/program/community.

 

More, yes. But I don't think there are a lot.

 

I guess my other question is, why can't X duplicate what T has done/is doing? They, obviously, are the closest thing to T.

 

Point being, if they are going to make an impact on anyone in the state, it would be their biggest rival who has the most similarities.

T does what they can do because they can and others can't. There have been a million threads talking about the success of Trinity and Highlands, all of those things aren't possible at all schools in KY, especially small and rural schools.

I think that is a cop out more or less. Any school can be more prosperous, many don't want to do what is necessary to make that happen. That may not be a popular opinion to many. But, the successful schools do a lot of things that most schools don't.

Well according to Raceland fans, Fairview does it, every year, but I don't think it has worked to the success like it has at Trinity.

Trinity wasn't built overnight.

More, yes. But I don't think there are a lot.

 

I guess my other question is, why can't X duplicate what T has done/is doing? They, obviously, are the closest thing to T.

 

Point being, if they are going to make an impact on anyone in the state, it would be their biggest rival who has the most similarities.

 

I think X is stuck in the 70s and that will change starting next year. In other words, they can duplicate T and we should see it happen in the next decade.

I think that is a cop out more or less. Any school can be more prosperous, many don't want to do what is necessary to make that happen. That may not be a popular opinion to many. But, the successful schools do a lot of things that most schools don't.

 

How do you expect a school/community that has major financial issues to create an environment like Trinity? It's not realistic. Money is too big of a factor.

I think X is stuck in the 70s and that will change starting next year. In other words, they can duplicate T and we should see it happen in the next decade.

 

Ouch.......

How do you expect a school/community that has major financial issues to create an environment like Trinity? It's not realistic. Money is too big of a factor.

Money is not the factor that you have to duplicate. It's attitude and expectations. Trinity players expect to beat everyone, they are expected to beat everyone, they know what is expected. You don't have to have money to win. Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.

 

It sounds easy, but it's not. You have to change the attitude of making excuses, to excepting no excuse.

Money is not the factor that you have to duplicate. It's attitude and expectations. Trinity players expect to beat everyone, they are expected to beat everyone, they know what is expected. You don't have to have money to win. Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.

 

It sounds easy, but it's not. You have to change the attitude of making excuses, to excepting no excuse.

 

Other than a few exceptions, the most successful schools in Ky. football have been successful for decades upon decades. You can have great "attitude and expectations" all you want, but the bottom line is for a community -- one that has not traditionally known success -- to totally invest itself in a program the way the Trinitys and Highlandses of the world are supported, it requires wins, and lots of them. Fans are fickle, and they need more than just assurances that "our plan is working" from the coaches. Therefore, the Trinitys and Highlandses of the world are able to sustain themselves, while the Grant Countys and Taylor Countys of the world just focus on other things where they might have more immediate success.

 

In other words, overnight sensations just don't happen in Ky. football, other than the immediate period following the class split. The same programs that have always dominated continue to do so, and will continue to do so, because they have the structure in place to ensure their continued success.

 

Honestly, isn't Boyle County the last real rags to riches story in Ky HS football? I'm not talking about somebody who's good for a year or two because of a good class coming through, but a program that can sustain itself even after the stud QB or RB graduates.

 

Oh, and don't forget the fact that most county schools were born out of consolidation of schools that didn't have enough people to field a football team. Some 40 years later, those consolidated schools, as a group, continue to struggle with football. Combined with UK's success in the '40s and '50s, it's why Ky will always be a hoops-first state.

Other than a few exceptions, the most successful schools in Ky. football have been successful for decades upon decades. You can have great "attitude and expectations" all you want, but the bottom line is for a community -- one that has not traditionally known success -- to totally invest itself in a program the way the Trinitys and Highlandses of the world are supported, it requires wins, and lots of them. Fans are fickle, and they need more than just assurances that "our plan is working" from the coaches. Therefore, the Trinitys and Highlandses of the world are able to sustain themselves, while the Grant Countys and Taylor Countys of the world just focus on other things where they might have more immediate success.

 

In other words, overnight sensations just don't happen in Ky. football, other than the immediate period following the class split. The same programs that have always dominated continue to do so, and will continue to do so, because they have the structure in place to ensure their continued success.

 

Honestly, isn't Boyle County the last real rags to riches story in Ky HS football? I'm not talking about somebody who's good for a year or two because of a good class coming through, but a program that can sustain itself even after the stud QB or RB graduates.

 

Oh, and don't forget the fact that most county schools were born out of consolidation of schools that didn't have enough people to field a football team. Some 40 years later, those consolidated schools, as a group, continue to struggle with football. Combined with UK's success in the '40s and '50s, it's why Ky will always be a hoops-first state.

 

First of all, want to say to Mex: great thread.

 

To Jim: great post. Over night sensations don't happen in football. Most schools do not have the support nor have they made the long term commitment to football that you find in the powerhouse programs. Basketball, as you mention, was King for a long time and football was just an activity to be done in the fall before basketball practice could begin. When such schools and their fans expect to be on the same level as the powerhouse programs, they are kidding themselves. Rome wasn't built in a day, as they like to say. That's not to imply or mean they shouldn't keep trying; quite the contrary. They have to double down and keep working hard. They can narrow the gap; perhaps gradually, but they can narrow the gap and catch up. I see programs and communities out there doing the right things, such as creating youth football programs emphasizing involvement and participation; hiring and keeping good coaching staffs; investing in their high school football programs, etc. Those programs will catch up to the powerhouses in time. Hopefully the communities and administrations at those schools will not give up when success doesn't happen overnight.

 

For me, the most influential change (technically changes) over the last 10 years affecting Kentucky high school football (and sports in general) has been at and within the KHSAA. The average fan may not see the effects of those changes, but trust me, they have been influential on the game. A new Commissioner, changes in the eligibility determination and appeal process, an in house attorney, more superintendents on the Board of Control, better leadership on the Board, and a better understanding of its role vis a vis the General Assembly (making for a better relationship), to name just a few of the positive changes.

I wasn't saying it has, or will happen in every class. But I'm sure it has on some level. For example Highlands began platooning, something that Trinity has done for some time. Did they learn that from Trinity? Not really, it's been done before, but nonetheless something Trinity has done in the state.

 

But, for the purpose of discussion: Raceland went to a 50/50 pass/run offense several years back, something that I though we would never do due to not having enough athletes. But, after seeing it for several years, I realized you don't need anymore athletes to run a passing offense then a running offense. Trinity may not have started the spread offense, but they have proven that you need to be multifaceted. We have learned that.

 

How about learning that to be good at football, you have to make it a priority. Trinity has made football a priority. Perhaps other schools could learn that by merely making football more of priority, they see their program grow and prosper.

 

Again, I'd argue that teams can WANT to make football a priority but it's simply not economically doable for many. They can't afford a large number of coaches. They can't upgrade facilities like they want.

 

T is an aberration . I'd argue HHS should be looked at first because they're closer to reality for many even though they are still somewhat unique in abilities to do the above compared to most.

Money is not the factor that you have to duplicate. It's attitude and expectations. Trinity players expect to beat everyone, they are expected to beat everyone, they know what is expected. You don't have to have money to win. Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.

 

It sounds easy, but it's not. You have to change the attitude of making excuses, to excepting no excuse.

 

 

Chicken/egg.

I said weak argument Clyde.

 

I don't know about Raceland but Conner has a big time D1 QB, they could learn a lot from Trinity/Coverdale. Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking Conner in any way, I am saying Trinity's offense is just what the doctor ordered for the Cougars.

 

Conner already runs the same O that many schools do including T AND they have been for some time. T didn't invent the KY spread offense.