This case has some similar events.

 

Brian Terry's parents want to know what happened as do Trayvons parents, our President spoke about Trayvon and pushed for investigations.

 

Issa is pushing for the investigation to find the truth.

 

Zimmermann lied

Eric Holder lied

A new report says that the ATF never intentionally allowed gun walking.

 

 

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

 

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features

From the article:

 

 

Quite simply, there's a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

 

Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.

How Fast and Furious reached the headlines is a strange and unsettling saga, one that reveals a lot about politics and media today. It's a story that starts with a grudge, specifically Dodson's anger at Voth. After the terrible murder of agent Terry, Dodson made complaints that were then amplified, first by right-wing bloggers, then by CBS. Rep. Issa and other politicians then seized those elements to score points against the Obama administration, which, for its part, has capitulated in an apparent effort to avoid a rhetorical battle over gun control in the run-up to the presidential election. (A Justice Department spokesperson denies this and asserts that the department is not drawing conclusions until the inspector general's report is submitted.)

CNN:

 

"Don't not be nosy...."

 

Don't be nosy about Fast and Furious - CNN

 

 

Times have changed. Yet, not everything is our business. And in the political arena, there are things that should be and need to be kept quiet.

 

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Heads should roll because of the Fast and Furious debacle. We don't need every detail of that operation to be made public in order for that to happen.

 

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If this operation were in some foreign land and and an operation handled by the professional spooks I might agree. But this was not the CIA doing 'necessary but legally wrong things' in some foreign land.

 

This was the US DOJ knowingly facilitating transactions and protecting the criminals until they entered Mexico without the knowledge of the Mexican government. Not merely monitoring criminals but helping them and then helping them go into a neighbor country without the knowledge of the authorities in that country. And in the process an American, on American soil, was killed. That did not happen in the reference Iran-Contra affair. Iran-Contra was messy - but it was not happening inside our country and being done by the very entity charged with enforcing laws that were broken.

 

BTW, a natural question is - what was Ms. Clinton's involvement. As Secretary of State she should have 'been in the loop' since this was directly impacting a foreign country. Certainly the State Department would have to respond if the Mexican's uncovered this operation and linked back to the administration. This whole affair (FF) may have long tentacles that could hurt some key players. So obviously there is a desire for it to 'disappear'.

CNN going into 'please go away' overdrive it appears from out interweaved posts! :lol:

On Jan. 8, 2010, Voth and his supervisors drafted a briefing paper in which they explained Hurley's view that "there was minimal evidence at this time to support any type of prosecution." The paper elaborated, "Currently our strategy is to allow the transfer of firearms to continue to take place, albeit at a much slower pace, in order to further the investigation and allow for the identification of additional co-conspirators."

Rep. Issa's committee has flagged this document as proof that the agents chose to walk guns. But prosecutors had determined, Voth says, that the "transfer of firearms" was legal. Agents had no choice but to keep investigating and start a wiretap as quickly as possible to gather evidence of criminal intent.

A new report says that the ATF never intentionally allowed gun walking.

 

 

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

 

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features

Hmmm. Makes one wonder why this e-mail exchange between Justice officials about Fast and Furious containing the lines “It’s a tricky case given the number of guns that have walked” and “It’s not going to be any big surprise that a bunch of US guns are being used in MX, so I’m not sure how much grief we get for ‘guns walking.’”

 

Makes on wonder why gun dealers who cooperated with the ATF report a shift in policy that coincided with Fast and Furious — from stopping sales and questioning customers, to telling store owners to just go ahead and sell the guns.

 

Makes one wonder why the Justice Department denied in February of last year that “gunwalking” had happened in Fast and Furious, then it retracted the claim in December.

 

Just to name a few things...

Another overview....

 

Short, objective.

 

Operation Fast and Furious: A guide to the botched gun-trafficking sting - The Week

I'd encourage all, regardless of what you think is the truth, to read the Fortune article and give your thoughts.

 

Very interesting and disturbing.

Another overview....

 

Short, objective.

 

Operation Fast and Furious: A guide to the botched gun-trafficking sting - The Week

 

 

So which one are we supposed to believe?

 

The link you cite makes a general statement :

 

The feds' plan was to let intermediaries to Mexican drug cartels buy some 2,000 automatic weapons and other firearms from Arizona dealers; supposedly, the feds would then trace the guns to smugglers and cartel leaders and use this information to stanch the flow of guns to Mexico and reduce the power of the cartels.

 

..while the Fortune article says:

 

But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

Hmmm. Makes one wonder why this e-mail exchange between Justice officials about Fast and Furious containing the lines “It’s a tricky case given the number of guns that have walked” and “It’s not going to be any big surprise that a bunch of US guns are being used in MX, so I’m not sure how much grief we get for ‘guns walking.’”

 

Makes on wonder why gun dealers who cooperated with the ATF report a shift in policy that coincided with Fast and Furious — from stopping sales and questioning customers, to telling store owners to just go ahead and sell the guns.

 

Makes one wonder why the Justice Department denied in February of last year that “gunwalking” had happened in Fast and Furious, then it retracted the claim in December.

 

Just to name a few things...

 

There seems to be no debate that the guns walked. The Fortune article says that they walked without approval by the ATF and walked because of soft gun laws in AZ which tied the hands of US attorneys who had to approve the ATF's plan for arrests.

So which one are we supposed to believe?

 

The link you cite makes a general statement :

 

The feds' plan was to let intermediaries to Mexican drug cartels buy some 2,000 automatic weapons and other firearms from Arizona dealers; supposedly, the feds would then trace the guns to smugglers and cartel leaders and use this information to stanch the flow of guns to Mexico and reduce the power of the cartels.

 

..while the Fortune article says:

 

But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

 

 

Good question....inconsistencies are usually a good indication of...........

Good question....inconsistencies are usually a good indication of...........

 

Don't leave me hanging. Lies?

 

If so, who is inconsistent?

Don't leave me hanging. Lies?

 

If so, who is inconsistent?

 

Correct....

 

But I do not know. When there are multiple versions of the truth then you do not know which (if any!) to believe.

 

Now we know why Issa is still digging....