In a related story, my woman and her friends call each other the b-word and the c-word, in my presence. They do this all the time as a term if endearment. When I say b and c I don't mean bloods and crops.

I know better not to call my woman a b word or c word...at least not to her face.

 

I can't imagine a female using that word. It's vile.

In a related story, my woman and her friends call each other the b-word and the c-word, in my presence. They do this all the time as a term if endearment. When I say b and c I don't mean bloods and crops.

I know better not to call my woman a b word or c word...at least not to her face.

 

I don't call my wife either of those words. But I can say the words when they are part of the title of a song. Which is completely different.

 

Who's angry at someone for saying it? I can understand why someone would be mad at Gwyneth for making her quote. I'm not but I understand why people would be and explained the dynamic in my posts. Am I mad? No. Do I want to hear a white person using the N word? No. Is it a double standard? Yes. Do I make exceptions when I feel an exception is warranted? Yes. Am I politically incorrect and reserving the right to use it how I feel when I feel because I can? Absolutely. Will I use it again? Yes. Despite all of that do I want to hear a white person or any of my white friends using it whether it is in a quote, song or book? No.

 

But to recap when you joined the conversation.....

 

You said, "if you don't want anyone other than black people saying it then don't put it in a song title."

 

I said, "I didn't make the song title."

 

Just because Jay Z, Kanye, Wu Tang, Lil Wayne....don't care how white people use the N word doesn't mean I have to excuse it.

 

I don't say you made the song title and I didn't say you were mad. So now that's cleared up...

 

So do you disagree with the song title in general?

I don't say you made the song title and I didn't say you were mad. So now that's cleared up...

 

So do you disagree with the song title in general?

 

Nope. I think the song is tight.

I can't imagine a female using that word. It's vile.

 

Women of my generation are some real flappers and firecrackers, elder.

Women of my generation are some real flappers and firecrackers, elder.

 

How old are you?

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From a previous thread, he might have worn a Super Bowl hat when he was 8 or 9.....

How old are you?

 

Now, now.

Just because Jay Z, Kanye, Wu Tang, Lil Wayne....don't care how white people use the N word doesn't mean I have to excuse it.

 

You mean, you don't think that famous black rappers speak for all black people?

 

I never understood how/why some of us white folk think that when a prominent black man speaks, it means all black people agree with him. Something that is never reciprocated for whites.

You mean, you don't think that famous black rappers speak for all black people?

 

I never understood how/why some of us white folk think that when a prominent black man speaks, it means all black people agree with him. Something that is never reciprocated for whites.

 

Preach.

In college, I had black teammates and I would hear them call each other the n word. I am good friends with them still today and when we see each other we give the ole man hug and I would never ever use the n word to them. I have way too much respect for them and all to use that word.

 

You mean, you don't think that famous black rappers speak for all black people?

 

I never understood how/why some of us white folk think that when a prominent black man speaks, it means all black people agree with him. Something that is never reciprocated for whites.

 

I don't know anyone who thinks when a prominent black person speaks that they speak for all black people.

Should other blacks who have no control over the use of it in music or in a song title be expected to turn a blind ear to it?

 

Should they? Don't know and can't speak for those folks. Do they, selectively? You betcha.

Having said that, so if I am in your house and we are drinking or playing cards; shooting dice or whatever, and your better half mistakenly comes out of the shower half-naked or walks by us scantily clad (because she doesn't know I am there), would you be mad if I took a glance at her, or would you expect me to know my role and mind my manners?

 

If we're having a get-together at my place, there is no way for my better half to not know, which means she did it on purpose and we've probably got bigger problems than you sneaking a glance.

 

Hiphop music was supposed to be about the streets, life and the struggle of the inner city blacks. It was never meant for mass consumption. The hip hop artist was rapping/talking about life experience over a beat. When white music label owners got hold of it, they realized the power in those words and made profits of it. Rap music was made for mass consumption. Many of you probably didn't know there is a significant difference between rap and hip hop. Hip hop tells you about life; rap music tells you about the rapper's excesses. (cars, clothes, jewelry, etc.)

 

I've been following rap and hip-hop for longer than some of the folks on this board have been alive, so I know the difference. And while the general audience themselves likely doesn't know the difference, perhaps the bigger question is how blissfully ignorant of their audience are the artists?

 

They still have some control in the content delivery department -- I'm thinking there's no Irving R. Shyster in the corner of the production room telling Jay-Z he needs a few more N-words in there to make it a hit.

If we're having a get-together at my place, there is no way for my better half to not know, which means she did it on purpose and we've probably got bigger problems than you sneaking a

 

I've been following rap and hip-hop for longer than some of the folks on this board have been alive, so I know the difference. And while the general audience themselves likely doesn't know the difference, perhaps the bigger question is how blissfully ignorant of their audience are the artists?

 

They still have some control in the content delivery department -- I'm thinking there's no Irving R. Shyster in the corner of the production room telling Jay-Z he needs a few more N-words in there to make it a hit.

The point was not if your wife knew I was there. The point was what would you prefer I do and which is appropriate.

Controversy sells. Ask Luther "Uncle Luke/Luke Skywalker" Campbell. He and the 2Live Crew were niche acts in raps until the politicians tried to ban them. So an enterprising music exec could see, be onery, angry and bring the streets language to this music and you can sell.