IMO if you don't want anyone other than black people saying it, don't put it in a song title.

 

 

It's not a word I use. I don't want to use it. I really don't care who uses it. But I think it's stupid for anyone to get offended when someone says the name of a song which happens to have this word in it.

IMO if you don't want anyone other than black people saying it, don't put it in a song title.

 

 

It's not a word I use. I don't want to use it. I really don't care who uses it. But I think it's stupid for anyone to get offended when someone says the name of a song which happens to have this word in it.

 

But we don't know how Jay Z and Kanye feel about people using the word. I never put it in a song title.

Fresh off of vacation, and I come back to this madness? I could've kept my black arse Turks and Caicos. But my girl was getting jealous. Too much reckless eyeballing of the local hot chicks by myself. But I digress.

 

1.First off the title of this thread makes me wonder does the threadstarter want to use the word and wodners why he cannot get away with it. I'm just wondering. No offense, because I don't know you, champ.

 

2. I don't care if the suffix is "er" or "a", there is no need for whites to use the word. I used to as a young man, but I grew out of it. Back then, my teeth were sparkling white. LOL

 

3. I was walking out of a Wal-mart in Canal Winchester, OH back in 2003; a hip hop white guy was walking in with his black friend. I heard the white guy say the word; I said to the black friend, "Damn, you let him talk like that to you." The white kid called me an "old nigga" and said shut up. I beat the dog sh*t out of that kid. Gave him a 37 second reality check. Had to be 16-20 years old.

 

4. Quoting a song title is no excuse. GP knew better.

 

5. You'd be surprised at how many white high school football coaches, at an inner city school, have used the word in some form or fashion to tell their black players not to. It is sickening. It's like, "Wow coach, you using it doesn't make it any better. Could care less if you are trying to get them to stop. No need to hear it come off your tongue." Just makes you wonder what these coaches were saying in their private moments aout these kids.

 

6. The word is used by inner city youths, mainly. It's their patois; vernacular. But please watch the video and I believe this rapper, KRS-ONE, explains the use of the word so effortlessly, so flawlessly and so elegantly. @:57 will explain Rockmom's roomies.

 

 

I was wondering where you went. :lol:

 

Turks and Caicos? Yeah, I'm jealous. You don't have a pair of sunglasses? :lol:

I was wondering where you went. :lol:

 

Turks and Caicos? Yeah, I'm jealous. You don't have a pair of sunglasses? :lol:

 

Man I was head turning and everything. I was in awe. My girl has a pretty decent job and footed most of the bill.

 

 

 

2. I don't care if the suffix is "er" or "a", there is no need for whites to use the word.

 

Agreed. Obviously it is an offensive word for Black people, so they should not use it either.

My son spent a couple summers playing AAU ball where he was the only white boy on the team, recruited by the Black coach. Everyone got along, respected each other. At practices and such, the Black players called each other "N--ga".

At one of the games, an angry parent called the coach that word, because his son was pulled off the court.

What I'm trying to say is that it's almost a form of endearment between Black youth. Right or wrong, I can see why a White kid who hangs out with a group of Black kids might also use the word, if nothing else than to be included in the commraderie.

I never heard my son use the word with his teammates.

IMO if you don't want anyone other than black people saying it, don't put it in a song title.

 

It's not a word I use. I don't want to use it. I really don't care who uses it. But I think it's stupid for anyone to get offended when someone says the name of a song which happens to have this word in it.

 

This does raise an interesting point in the debate, when you consider white people buy the overwhelming majority of the music put out in the hip-hop/rap genre and have ever since Run DMC went mainstream in the late '80s.

This does raise an interesting point in the debate, when you consider white people buy the overwhelming majority of the music put out in the hip-hop/rap genre and have ever since Run DMC went mainstream in the late '80s.

 

Should other blacks who have no control over the use of it in music or in a song title be expected to turn a blind ear to it?

1.First off the title of this thread makes me wonder does the threadstarter want to use the word and wodners why he cannot get away with it. I'm just wondering. No offense, because I don't know you, champ.

 

You're good and probably a fair question, but no. I don't really see any point in using the word in any conversastion. I just heard them discuss it on the radio and I thought it would create an interesting conversation on here.

 

I do feel though, if it is inappropriate for a white person to use the term, then it shouldn't be in the title of a song.

This does raise an interesting point in the debate, when you consider white people buy the overwhelming majority of the music put out in the hip-hop/rap genre and have ever since Run DMC went mainstream in the late '80s.

Having said that, so if I am in your house and we are drinking or playing cards; shooting dice or whatever, and your better half mistakenly comes out of the shower half-naked or walks by us scantily clad (because she doesn't know I am there), would you be mad if I took a glance at her, or would you expect me to know my role and mind my manners?

 

Hiphop music was supposed to be about the streets, life and the struggle of the inner city blacks. It was never meant for mass consumption. The hip hop artist was rapping/talking about life experience over a beat. When white music label owners got hold of it, they realized the power in those words and made profits of it. Rap music was made for mass consumption. Many of you probably didn't know there is a significant difference between rap and hip hop. Hip hop tells you about life; rap music tells you about the rapper's excesses. (cars, clothes, jewelry, etc.)

Agreed. Obviously it is an offensive word for Black people, so they should not use it either.

My son spent a couple summers playing AAU ball where he was the only white boy on the team, recruited by the Black coach. Everyone got along, respected each other. At practices and such, the Black players called each other "N--ga".

At one of the games, an angry parent called the coach that word, because his son was pulled off the court.

What I'm trying to say is that it's almost a form of endearment between Black youth. Right or wrong, I can see why a White kid who hangs out with a group of Black kids might also use the word, if nothing else than to be included in the commraderie.

I never heard my son use the word with his teammates.

It's only offensive to older blacks. My generation somehow flipped it into a term of endearment. If the coach was a good role model, he would put an end to that. As I said previously, many young urban blacks use it. But a good mentor would know that it just isn't a proper word to use and would totally discourage it. The coach should, in the least, tell the boys he doesn't want to hear it in his gyms or on his team. He should tell them the block and the 'hood have their own patois, as does my basketball team. BTW, do you care if I refer to your son as Dugan Fife?

Many of you probably didn't know there is a significant difference between rap and hip hop. Hip hop tells you about life; rap music tells you about the rapper's excesses. (cars, clothes, jewelry, etc.)

 

Partially agree however you have to say that rap is a component of hip hop.

 

Grand Master Flash was hip hop but songs like Wheels of Steel included rapping.

 

You obviously subscribe to the KRS One theory.

Partially agree however you have to say that rap is a component of hip hop.

 

Grand Master Flash was hip hop but songs like Wheels of Steel included rapping.

 

You obviously subscribe to the KRS One theory.

The artist or performer is "rapping" because that is what they do. As far as the music, hip hop is a lifestyle. "The Message" features Melle Mel rapping per se, but the song is pure hip hop, elder because he talking about life in the NYC ghettos. "Broken glass everywhere. People ****ing on the steps you know they just don't care." "...My son said daddy I don't want to go to school because the teacher is a jerk, he must think I'm a fool." Or Kurtis Blow's song "The Breaks."

I don't use the N-word anymore. I've outgrown it. But, I thought KRS-ONE explained its use better than anyone I have heard in the past - BGP poster or black scholarly academian pundit.

But we don't know how Jay Z and Kanye feel about people using the word. I never put it in a song title.

 

 

I just think it's silly to be angry at someone for quoting the title of a song.

I just think it's silly to be angry at someone for quoting the title of a song.

In a related story, my woman and her friends call each other the b-word and the c-word, in my presence. They do this all the time as a term if endearment. When I say b and c I don't mean bloods and crops.

I know better not to call my woman a b word or c word...at least not to her face.

I just think it's silly to be angry at someone for quoting the title of a song.

 

Who's angry at someone for saying it? I can understand why someone would be mad at Gwyneth for making her quote. I'm not but I understand why people would be and explained the dynamic in my posts. Am I mad? No. Do I want to hear a white person using the N word? No. Is it a double standard? Yes. Do I make exceptions when I feel an exception is warranted? Yes. Am I politically incorrect and reserving the right to use it how I feel when I feel because I can? Absolutely. Will I use it again? Yes. Despite all of that do I want to hear a white person or any of my white friends using it whether it is in a quote, song or book? No.

 

But to recap when you joined the conversation.....

 

You said, "if you don't want anyone other than black people saying it then don't put it in a song title."

 

I said, "I didn't make the song title."

 

Just because Jay Z, Kanye, Wu Tang, Lil Wayne....don't care how white people use the N word doesn't mean I have to excuse it.