You still have not shown that Zimmerman started the physical confrontation. Without showing that how can you possibly get a murder conviction?

 

He followed him. If I'm a 17 year old walking in a pretty unfamiliar neighborhood at night, that's starting a confrontation.

 

The only thing Martin did wrong in the entire thing was he was born black. That's it.

^That's still no excuse for murdering him.

 

Am I the only one who would've done the same thing in Martin's shoes (assuming he initiated the altercation)?

 

If some stranger is following me in a car, then follows me down a side street, I'm feeling threatened and going on the defensive immediately. The best defense is to turn the tables and go on the offensive. He was simply standing his ground, not Zimmerman.

 

Even if I agree with you (I do) that doesn't mean Zimmerman broke the law. He probably didn't.

You still have not shown that Zimmerman started the physical confrontation. Without showing that how can you possibly get a murder conviction?

 

Exactly. Who started the physical confrontation is something we may never know. It doesn't matter though because Zimmerman isn't obligated to show who started it. Just that his life was in danger. Blows my mind some people don't see that

And IMO getting the crap beat out of you isn't an excuse to murder the victor. Except apparently in Florida. The state where guys who can't fight can get whipped, kill and then go back home. Oh, and no state income tax either.

 

We may not like the law, but that is the law. I hope the law is followed by the jury even if I hate the law.

He followed him. If I'm a 17 year old walking in a pretty unfamiliar neighborhood at night, that's starting a confrontation.

 

The only thing Martin did wrong in the entire thing was he was born black. That's it.

 

Not enough to convict. It's not illegal to follow someone. That doesn't constitute self-defense. Even if the defense concedes that Zimmerman asked him why he was in the neighborhood that's not enough to justify Trayvon being on top of him. Unless the prosecutor can prove that Zimmerman physically assaulted/accosted Trayvon there can be no reason for a murder conviction.

 

Too many questions.

It's a dark night and I am walking home. To whom do I owe an answer to? So everyone walking in a hoodie that fits the description deserves to be stopped and questioned by non-law athuority? Sounds like excuse making for Zimmerman. Had no business accosting the boy. Now, we are back to saying that subliminal little natural selection mental balance of white superiority. The white man stopped you, boy, be a good colored boy and answer my questions because I am the white man, and if not, you still are nothing but a colroed boy and will never be on my level. Trayvon should have been polite and answered my questions. Trayvon is guilty of avoiding McGruff's warning in relation to stranger danger. He should have kept going.

Oh and remember, many of you said Trayvon is not a kid and is a 17-year old high school junior. I have to treat Trayvon as an adult, but can't assume kids have sex in high school. Who is inconsistent. We all have double standards. Thanks. I feel very vindicated.

 

It's an everyday occurence, kids are murdered? But is it something we are supposed to not fight. I find this point particulary interesting because I can rleate it to a situation in my city. When black men were getting popped by cops left and right for a spell, many peopl made excuses for the cops. But when a cow broke loose from a slaughterhouse truck, many of the same people were on the news saying don't shoot the cow. Interesting how Tryavon;s murder make you say it is what it is and charge it to the game. Nope.

 

There may be a lot of truth to your assumptions. The problem is that by law those assumptions aren't enough. That's the point. Zimmerman may be a punk. Who knows. You still haven't proven to anyone that Zimmerman physically accosted the kid. All we know is that Trayvon was shot while on top of Zimmerman.

What is your heritage? German ? Italian? Irish?

 

German and Irish actually, but if I do something they won't say a white male with German Irish desent, they will say a white male.

There may be a lot of truth to your assumptions. The problem is that by law those assumptions aren't enough. That's the point. Zimmerman may be a punk. Who knows. You still haven't proven to anyone that Zimmerman physically accosted the kid. All we know is that Trayvon was shot while on top of Zimmerman.

 

You have assumptions. I have science. It's called deduction. It's scientific, which is the route being used to solve this case. You can deduce from the facts that Zimmerman followed the boy. When Zimmerman's black and white friend that made the newsrounds before the arrest, they all said Trayvon should have said I am visiting my family. This means Trayvon was accosted and asked a question. A boy, legally a boy still because he is 17, felt threatened and probably dropped Zimmerman with one punch or Zimmerman rushed him, or else how do they end up on ground. Trayvon owed nobody an answer. That is the smoking gun, (pardon the pun). The confrontation was avoidable on Zimmerman's part, accroding to police. Nuff said.

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German and Irish actually, but if I do something they won't say a white male with German Irish desent, they will say a white male.

 

Wouldn't that be because Germans and Irishmen are white?

Exactly. Who started the physical confrontation is something we may never know. It doesn't matter though because Zimmerman isn't obligated to show who started it. Just that his life was in danger. Blows my mind some people don't see that

 

It blows my mind that a 28 year old getting beat up by a 17 year old(who may have been high on weed)=life in danger.

You have assumptions. It's called deduction. It's scientific, which is the route being used to solve this case. You can deduce form the facts that ZImmerman followed the boy. When you and Zimmerman's black and white friend that made the newsrounds before the arrest, they all said Trayvon should have said I am visiting my family. This means trayvon was aksed a question. A boy, legally a boy still because he is 17, felt threatened and probably whipped dropped Zimmerman with one punch or Zimmerman rushed him, or else how do they end up on ground. Trayvon owed nobody an answer. That is the smoking gun, (pardon the pun). The confrontation was avoidable on Zimmerman's part, accroding to police. Nuff said.

 

Not enough. You have to prove that Zimmerman "rushed him."

 

Asking a question does not constitute a threat to Trayvon. Has to be more than that.

 

Your smoking gun is shooting blanks.

 

You cannot convict a man - even if he is a weirdo/whack job/loser - just because he walked upto a kid. You have to have more than that. Remember, this is a murder charge. It's not manslaughter. Much higher burden of proof.

It blows my mind that a 28 year old getting beat up by a 17 year old(who may have been high on weed)=life in danger.

 

Why would age factor in? I don't know the exact wording of the "Stand Your Ground" law but my guess is that if the witness says he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman and punching him (which physical evidence would have to support) then the SYG law comes into play.

 

Age is irrelevant.

German and Irish actually, but if I do something they won't say a white male with German Irish desent, they will say a white male.

 

You just proved my point.

 

He's white with Hispanic descent. Just because some add that and you do not doesn't mean he's not white.

Why are you all even debating what the lawyers have to prove. The white Hispanic is going to be found guilty because of the racial war it may start and to appease the blacks who feel it was done because or race.

You just proved my point.

 

He's white with Hispanic descent. Just because some add that and you do not doesn't mean he's not white.

 

Zimmerman isn't white, look at him, he is Hispanic, so is Obama a white man with African descent?