If a school has a handicapped person enroll and they put in an elevator so the student can get from one floor to the next, are they giving that student special/preferential treatment, or are they simply making it possible for them to attend classes?

 

Isn't attending class something that student MUST do in order to be succesful? Praying is not. And besides I think this is really a poor example anyway, because what school is going to spend or have the capability to put in an elevator. I really don't think it would happen, they'd just have the student enrolled in classes on the first floor.

 

And what cammando is explaining as "special treatment" is the money being spent. In cammando's opinion that constitutes special treatment.

 

For the record, I could care less either way, but I think its a good discussion.

I never have and never will understand why people get so upset about these things. Christians don't NEED public prayers to speak with God. They don't NEED nativity scenes in school. They don't NEED the 10 Commandments in front of a public building, or a cross in the school hallway. How does the restriction of any of these things affect you personally, mountain ref? If you want to pray, there is nothing stopping you from doing so. If you want to watch or participate in a nativity scene, I know many a church that put on that production.

 

Some people get upset over the term Christmas. That is fine with me. It doesn't stop me from referring to the holiday as Christmas. In the future, I will raise a family and I will teach them what Christmas is really about. That is my job, not the government's.

 

This is a nation of religious freedom, and you are free to worship as you please. I have yet to see how any of these examples of so called "Christian restriction" affect your ability to be a Christian.

 

BTW, I am a devout Christian and very proud of my beliefs. I will witness to anyone I see in need of it. I will not force my beliefs and rituals upon them though. If I want to participate in group worship, there are several places I can go to do so. It doesn't have to be in class or at a sporting event. No matter what the government does to appease the non-believers, it will never affect my personal beliefs or how I share them with my family and friends.

 

Relating more to the initial post in this thread, I do believe the government could use a greater sense of morality and common sense. Morality isn't Christianity though.

 

Very good post. :thumb:

The guy sitting next to me as I type this is a devout Muslim. We have a "quiet room" at work where anyone can go on their breaks. He uses it to go and pray throughout the day. Is that special treatment?

Isn't attending class something that student MUST do in order to be succesful? Praying is not.

 

I know many a persons who have no education that are highly successful, so I'd say no.

Isn't attending class something that student MUST do in order to be succesful? Praying is not.

 

And what cammando is explaining as "special treatment" is the money being spent. In cammando's opinion that constitutes special treatment.

 

For the record, I could care less either way, but I think its a good discussion.

If a Christian child is praying before a big test should they be stopped? According to you, it's obviously not something they MUST do to be succesful.

Do you actually read anything I post? I said a long time ago, I can't bring up the article from work. What is so dang hard to understand about that? :lol:

 

I'm praying right now for you and me both that our work doesn't decide to block this site haha!

I know many a persons who have no education that are highly successful, so I'd say no.

 

Successful in the school, not in life.

 

If a Christian child is praying before a big test should they be stopped? According to you, it's obviously not something they MUST do to be succesful.

 

It didn't cost the school a crap ton of money for that child to sit there silently.

The guy sitting next to me as I type this is a devout Muslim. We have a "quiet room" at work where anyone can go on their breaks. He uses it to go and pray throughout the day. Is that special treatment?

Is where you work publicly funded? Does the devout Muslim pray out loud ? I'm like MJ24.. I could care less who prays to what god or when they pray.. I just get a kick out of you guys that want it both ways.. Whats wrong with asking the Muslims to pray in silence? Or go home for their prayer time ?

Do muslims and christians pray to the same God? Different messengers, but did you get the message? Or am I wrong?

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Is where you work publicly funded? Does the devout Muslim pray out loud ? I'm like MJ24.. I could care less who prays to what god or when they pray.. I just get a kick out of you guys that want it both ways.. Whats wrong with asking the Muslims to pray in silence? Or go home for their prayer time ?

 

Am I wrong in my belief that the typical Muslim prayer is, for lack of a better term, more demonstrative than a Christian prayer? Are they not supposed to use the prayer mats, etc.? If this is the case, you can't well have that happening in a classroom or in the halls of a school. Having space they can do so is a necessity in accomdating them the right to pray. Along those same lines, will you not agree with me that our society has a very negative perception of Muslims since 9/11? To me this boils down to affording them the same rights of worship as other faiths, and doing so in a manner that is safe. I'm firmly of the belief that them doing so in the "open" amongst other students would incite not only ridicule, but also a very strong possibility of violence. JMO.

Does muslims and christians pray to the same God? Different messengers, but did you get the message? Or am I wrong?

 

Yes, as far as I know they are the same God.

Does muslims and christians pray to the same God? Different messengers, but did you get the message? Or am I wrong?

 

Muslims pray to the God of Abraham, the God of Moses.

Am I wrong in my belief that the typical Muslim prayer is, for lack of a better term, more demonstrative than a Christian prayer?

 

Yes. It is my understanding that they are supposed to pray five times a day (at specific times as well) on a mat (don't know the real name) facing a certain direction (I believe East, towards the Mecca).

 

Which could open up a whole different conversation. What if the kid is in the middle of a test? Let him leave to go down to the prayer room?

 

If we are suppose to have a separation of church and state, why let any of that happen? I can pray staring right at my teacher and they would have no idea. Nothing special is done to allow me to do that. Allowing a Muslim student to leave class, would allow them something special, wouldn't it? If they went and prayed on their lunch break or during recess, basically their own time, then I don't think it would be a problem. But what if that doesn't coordinate with when they are supposed to be praying? Allowing them to miss class means there is no longer that separation and some could say special treatment.

Muslims pray to the God of Abraham, the God of Moses.

 

So do they have the same concept? The son, the father, the holy spirit?

 

Christians call God, God. Muslims call him Allah. I know both of their "Gods" are eternal. As in they represent everything.

They may worship different, but still have same belief IMO.

 

I say there are some christians who do not understand other religions and they need to understand what their ideas are before bashing their beliefs.

 

You obviously ignored my question that would tell you that the above is not true at all.