Successful in the school, not in life.

 

 

 

It didn't cost the school a crap ton of money for that child to sit there silently.

But why allow it at all if it's not a path to a successful education?

Is where you work publicly funded? Does the devout Muslim pray out loud ? I'm like MJ24.. I could care less who prays to what god or when they pray.. I just get a kick out of you guys that want it both ways.. Whats wrong with asking the Muslims to pray in silence? Or go home for their prayer time ?

I just want to know if it's special treatment. I'm only wanting it one way. That people are allowed the freedom to practice their religion.

 

Have you actually witnessed a Muslim perform Salah?

But why allow it at all if it's not a path to a successful education?

 

So don't.

 

I could stare right at my teacher and pray and they'd have no idea.

 

I'm interested to hear your response to my post at #73.

Yes. It is my understanding that they are supposed to pray five times a day (at specific times as well) on a mat (don't know the real name) facing a certain direction (I believe East, towards the Mecca).

 

Which could open up a whole different conversation. What if the kid is in the middle of a test? Let him leave to go down to the prayer room?

 

If we are suppose to have a separation of church and state, why let any of that happen? I can pray staring right at my teacher and they would have no idea. Nothing special is done to allow me to do that. Allowing a Muslim student to leave class, would allow them something special, wouldn't it? If they went and prayed on their lunch break or during recess, basically their own time, then I don't think it would be a problem. But what if that doesn't coordinate with when they are supposed to be praying? Allowing them to miss class means there is no longer that separation and some could say special treatment.

I can agree with this. My co-worker says Salah requires prayer at five intervals:

 

Dawn, noon, afternoon, sunset, and before bed. At work he prays during his lunch break and sometime in the afternoon. He and his wife founded an Islamic private school in Louisville so obviously this isn't a concern for his children.

So don't.

 

I could stare right at my teacher and pray and they'd have no idea.

I'm interested to hear your response to my post at #73.

Allowing FCA to meet before or after school requires resources. You want to get rid of it too?

 

To the bold, different religious beliefs.

I can agree with this. My co-worker says Salah requires prayer at five intervals:

 

Dawn, noon, afternoon, sunset, and before bed. At work he prays during his lunch break and sometime in the afternoon. He and his wife founded an Islamic private school in Louisville so obviously this isn't a concern for his children.

 

I knew there were five intervals, wasn't sure if they were specific on what times those would be.

 

So, wouldn't it be allowing special treatment if a student's lunch was from 11:00-12:00, but then they allowed that student to go to a prayer room for another 10 minutes or perform the Salah? (I say that not knowing how long it takes).

What's wrong with living the life you choose and minding your own business? Does it affect your life if someone else has been raised by the ones they loved to believe differently? They believe you're wrong, you believe they wrong. When you look at what you're argueing about, it doesn't make a difference to you at the end of the day. This is funny.

Allowing FCA to meet before or after school requires resources. You want to get rid of it too?

 

To the bold, different religious beliefs.

 

No, because a Muslim organization could meet before and after school as well. You are on your own time before and after school. If the school doesn't allow a Muslim group the same opportunity to meet before and after, than the FCA shouldn't either, and now you have a whole mess on your hands because they shouldn't allow any non-educational group to meet. However, if the school has to allow the Muslim group to meet during the school day, it is then special treatment in my opinion, whether its based on their religious beliefs/differences. Which shouldn't come into play because there should be that separation as many say. Allowing Muslims to miss class to do the Salah would be special treatment in my opinion.

 

And I understand its different realigious beliefs, but no money needs to be spent or special time given to me for me to pray. Therefore a Muslim performing the Salah would be given special treatment.

When you look at what you're argueing about, it doesn't make a difference to you at the end of the day. This is funny.

 

It doesn't make a difference at all to me at the end of the day, which is why I call it a discussion. I don't really have any feelings in this at all, I just enjoy the conversation and thought-provoking questions that have been asked by both sides.

No, because a Muslim organization could meet before and after school as well.

 

And I understand its different realigious beliefs, but no money needs to be spent or special time given to me for me to pray. Therefore a Muslim performing the Salah would be given special treatment.

But that meeting will require resources which you spoke out against earlier.

It doesn't make a difference at all to me at the end of the day, which is why I call it a discussion. I don't really have any feelings in this at all, I just enjoy the conversation and thought-provoking questions that have been asked by both sides.

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GUYS, GUYS!!!! Let's get back on point and talk about the revolution.

I knew there were five intervals, wasn't sure if they were specific on what times those would be.

 

So, wouldn't it be allowing special treatment if a student's lunch was from 11:00-12:00, but then they allowed that student to go to a prayer room for another 10 minutes or perform the Salah? (I say that not knowing how long it takes).

I'm with you, if the student receives an hour lunch I see no reason why the prayer cannot be performed then.

 

Co-worker left for the day, but if this discussion is still continuing on Monday I'll try to get more specifics.

It doesn't make a difference at all to me at the end of the day, which is why I call it a discussion. I don't really have any feelings in this at all, I just enjoy the conversation and thought-provoking questions that have been asked by both sides.

 

Touche.

So do they have the same concept? The son, the father, the holy spirit?

 

Christians call God, God. Muslims call him Allah. I know both of their "Gods" are eternal. As in they represent everything.

 

And Jews call Him Yahweh and sometimes Jehovah (as do some Christian sects). Just because it's a different name doesn't mean it's not the same origin/being.

 

Brits call them "lifts" while we call them "elevators." Do these two not do the same things?