While I would agree that I would take Aaron over Griffey Jr...I think you'll have a more accurate comparsion if you compared it by games played. Griffey's numbers got damperedby his injuries in the later half of his career.

Because he stopped using steroids when he got to Cincy thus broke down. :sssh:

I need a good laugh...let's hear it.

 

ARod, Bonds, and Sosa were dirty. Junior wasn't. If we're going to rank it based purely on statistics, then yeah Bonds is 2nd to none. But when you add the PEDs and steroids into the equation, there's no longer a level playing field for comparison. Also need to take into consideration that Junior and Mays defensively were two of the greatest of their position. They played a position that was and still is much more physically demanding than the rest of the guys. Defense has to be considered for me.

While I would agree that I would take Aaron over Griffey Jr...I think you'll have a more accurate comparsion if you compared it by games played. Griffey's numbers got dampered by his injuries in the later half of his career.

When we are talking guys of this caliber I'm not going to let "coulda, shoulda, woulda" factor in...

Ruth

Mays

Aaron

Bonds

A-Rod

Griffey

Sosa

Thome

ARod, Bonds, and Sosa were dirty. Junior wasn't. If we're going to rank it based purely on statistics, then yeah Bonds is 2nd to none. But when you add the PEDs and steroids into the equation, there's no longer a level playing field for comparison. Also need to take into consideration that Junior and Mays defensively were two of the greatest of their position. They played a position that was and still is much more physically demanding than the rest of the guys. Defense has to be considered for me.

So why is Junior above Aaron and Ruth? Did they juice too?

 

Very weak argument especially with the warning signs everywhere that Jr may not have been so clean.

So why is Junior above Aaron and Ruth? Did they juice too?

 

Very weak argument especially with the warning signs everywhere that Jr may not have been so clean.

 

Warning signs? :lol: This is going to be better than a stand up comedy act.

 

JMO, but the level of play when Ruth played was very weak. Aaron from everything I've seen and read was an unbelievably consistent solid player, but never great. Having never seen either play, it's based purely on what I've read.

When we are talking guys of this caliber I'm not going to let "coulda, shoulda, woulda" factor in...

 

I said I would take Aaron? But when comparing statistics and stating the number of seasons, well I just think you get a better depiction of the numbers they accomplished by using games played or at-bats.

Warning signs? :lol: This is going to be better than a stand up comedy act.

 

JMO, but the level of play when Ruth played was very weak. Aaron from everything I've seen and read was an unbelievably consistent solid player, but never great. Having never seen either play, it's based purely on what I've read.

You mean the joke you started the thread with?

 

Let's see, a guy has a power spike among a clubhouse stacked full of known juicers/PED users. Then he is traded away to a "clean" clubhouse and after the first season never comes close to matching those power numbers. Also spends the rest of his career plagued with injuries. Doesn't seem like a laughable hypothesis to me.

 

I firmly believe that Jr isn't hunted down because unlike ARod and Bonds he is very well liked, personable, and for my generation was the "cool" player. When you get into an area full of Reds fans it gets roughly 2 million times worse.

I said I would take Aaron? But when comparing statistics and stating the number of seasons, well I just think you get a better depiction of the numbers they accomplished by using games played or at-bats.

Fair enough.

Shocked again that Griffey is ranked above Aaron.

 

Griffey (22 Seasons): 1662 R, 630 HR, 1836 RBI, 184 SB, 0.284 BA, 0.370 OBP, 0.538 SLG, 0.907 OPS, and 78.5 WAR.

 

Aaron (23 Seasons): 2174 R, 755 HR, 2297 RBI, 240 SB, 0.305 BA, 0.374 OBP, 0.555 SLG, 0.928 OPS, and 141.6 WAR.

 

Not very close...

 

You may have a point here but I'll admit it's probably a generational bias having grown up in Jr's prime but I too feel that had he not had the injuries he would have very similar if not better numbers than Aaron.

 

If you are going to knock guys for not being clean. Doesn't it make sense to at least consider the fact Ruth didn't have to play against many of the best players of his era?

 

It does make sense but Babe Ruth is arguably the most recognizable names and faces in sports. He meant a lot to the game and was hitting more homeruns than most teams in his era. I don't think he was the best player on the 8, he may even be toward the bottom in terms of skill but of importance he's the top IMO.

You may have a point here but I'll admit it's probably a generational bias having grown up in Jr's prime but I too feel that had he not had the injuries he would have very similar if not better numbers than Aaron.

BUT, he did get injured. Like I said to MJ24, I don't think "coulda, woulda, shoulda" should factor in. If that was the case I'd probably have had ARod higher...

 

 

It does make sense but Babe Ruth is arguably the most recognizable names and faces in sports. He meant a lot to the game and was hitting more homeruns than most teams in his era. I don't think he was the best player on the 8, he may even be toward the bottom in terms of skill but of importance he's the top IMO.

I agree on importance he is probably a clear #1.

BUT, he did get injured. Like I said to MJ24, I don't think "coulda, woulda, shoulda" should factor in. If that was the case I'd probably have had ARod higher...

 

I agree on importance he is probably a clear #1.

 

Ok, I'll move Aaron to 4 and Jr to 5 is that better?

You mean the joke you started the thread with?

 

Let's see, a guy has a power spike among a clubhouse stacked full of known juicers/PED users. Then he is traded away to a "clean" clubhouse and after the first season never comes close to matching those power numbers. Also spends the rest of his career plagued with injuries. Doesn't seem like a laughable hypothesis to me.

 

Oh, so because he was in Seattle with a bunch of users, that makes him guilty. :lol: Yeah, that's solid evidence.

 

His numbers didn't take a dive. When he was healthy he was still an elite power guy in Cincinnati.

 

His work ethic was a well-known problem. He didn't put in the work off the field to stay healthy, and because of it his aging body couldn't hold up.

 

In Cincinnati Griffey hit a HR every 4.5 games for his career there. In Seattle that number was a HR every 3.8 games.

 

A healthy Griffey projected out to 36 HRs every 162 games. In Seattle Griffy projected out to 42 HRs every 162 games.

Babe Ruth lead the league in HR (12 times), RBI (6 times), BB (11 times), R (8 times)...all-time leader in OBP%, SLG%, and OPS...career .342 batting average...94-46 as a pitcher, 2.28 ERA, 107 CG, 17 Sho, 4 Saves...based on what he did as a pitcher, his 162 game average would be a 21-10 season.

 

That said, here's my list with each player's 162-game average, FWIW.

 

1. Babe Ruth (22 seasons) - .342 BA, 141 R, 186 H, 33 Doubles, 9 Triples, 46 HR, 143 RBI, 8 SB, 133 BB, 86 K, .474 OBP, .690 SLG, 1.164 OPS, 375 TB

 

2. Willie Mays (22 seasons) - .302 BA, 112 R, 178 H, 28 Doubles, 8 Triples, 36 HR, 103 RBI, 18 SB, 79 BB, 83 K, .384 OBP, .557 SLG, .941 OPS, 328 TB

 

3. Alex Rodriguez (18 seasons) - .302 BA, 123 R, 188 H, 34 Doubles, 2 Triples, 43 HR, 128 RBI, 21 SB, 78 BB, 129 K, .386 OBP, .569 SLG, .955 OPS, 353 TB

 

4. Barry Bonds (22 seasons) - .298 BA, 121 R, 159 H, 33 Doubles, 4 Triples, 41 HR, 108 RBI, 28 SB, 139 BB, 83 K, .444 OBP, .607 SLG, 1.051 OPS, 324 TB

 

5. Hank Aaron (23 seasons) - .305 BA, 107 R, 185 H, 31 Doubles, 5 Triples, 37 HR, 113 RBI, 12 SB, 69 BB, 68 K, .374 OBP, .555 SLG, .928 OPS, 337 TB

 

6. Ken Griffey, Jr. (22 seasons) - .284 BA, 101 R, 169 H, 32 Doubles, 2 Triples, 38 HR, 111 RBI, 11 SB, 80 BB, 108 K, .370 OBP, .538 SLG, .907 OPS, 320 TB

 

7. Jim Thome (21 seasons) - .277 BA, 102 R, 149 H, 29 Doubles, 2 Triples, 40 HR, 110 RBI, 1 SB, 113 BB, 162 K, .403 OBP, .558 SLG, .961 OPS, 300 TB

 

8. Sammy Sosa (18 seasons) - .273 BA, 102 R, 166 H, 26 Doubles, 3 Triples, 42 HR, 115 RBI, 16 SB, 64 BB, 159 K, .344 OBP, .534 SLG, .878 OPS, 324 TB

Warning signs? :lol: This is going to be better than a stand up comedy act.

 

JMO, but the level of play when Ruth played was very weak. Aaron from everything I've seen and read was an unbelievably consistent solid player, but never great. Having never seen either play, it's based purely on what I've read.

 

Henry Aaron not a great player? Don't know what book you were reading. Let's see, MLB records for RBI, extra base hits, and total bases. Also, second in HR, third in hits and runs scored. Yeah, that's pretty solid.