Ok, I'll move Aaron to 4 and Jr to 5 is that better?

Much better.

So can I.

 

Unless Hot Dogs and Beer are PED's, how on earth can you justify Griffey above Ruth?

ARod, Bonds, and Sosa were dirty. Junior wasn't. If we're going to rank it based purely on statistics, then yeah Bonds is 2nd to none. But when you add the PEDs and steroids into the equation, there's no longer a level playing field for comparison. Also need to take into consideration that Junior and Mays defensively were two of the greatest of their position. They played a position that was and still is much more physically demanding than the rest of the guys. Defense has to be considered for me.

 

As a matter of fact, based purely on numbers, he'd be second to Ruth.

Henry Aaron not a great player? Don't know what book you were reading. Let's see, MLB records for RBI, extra base hits, and total bases. Also, second in HR, third in hits and runs scored. Yeah, that's pretty solid.

 

I mean he never had those remarkable seasons that the other guys all did. He was the epitomy of consistency. Like I said though, to me, I can't not factor position and defense in.

Unless Hot Dogs and Beer are PED's, how on earth can you justify Griffey above Ruth?

Put on a pair of these and it's easy.

 

Unless Hot Dogs and Beer are PED's, how on earth can you justify Griffey above Ruth?

 

Defense, position, and the fact that Ruth played against a lesser level of competition IMO.

As a matter of fact, based purely on numbers, he'd be second to Ruth.

I agree. I gave Ruth a slight demotion based on the league not being segregated.

Put on a pair of these and it's easy.

 

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:lol: What would Red sunglasses have to do with anything?

 

I never even followed the Reds until Griffey came to Cincinnati, let's get that straight.

I agree. I gave Ruth a slight demotion based on the league not being segregated.

 

I would say his astronomically good numbers, and his success as a pitcher, would more than offset any demotion. His career OPS of 1.164 is over 100 points higher than Bonds who is next best on the list.

 

He was a pitcher his first 6 seasons in Boston. He had 49 career HR's when he came to the Yankees. He hit 659 HR's over the next 15 seasons. The HR record would be untouchable if he'd spent his early years as a position player.

I would say his astronomically good numbers, and his success as a pitcher, would more than offset any demotion. His career OPS of 1.164 is over 100 points higher than Bonds who is next best on the list.

 

He was a pitcher his first 6 seasons in Boston. He had 49 career HR's when he came to the Yankees. He hit 659 HR's over the next 15 seasons. The HR record would be untouchable if he'd spent his early years as a position player.

Form a league with only white Americans today and see if a player like Jim Thome doesn't post INSANE numbers.

 

 

*Disclaimer: I'm ok with Ruth at #1.

I would say his astronomically good numbers, and his success as a pitcher, would more than offset any demotion. His career OPS of 1.164 is over 100 points higher than Bonds who is next best on the list.

 

He was a pitcher his first 6 seasons in Boston. He had 49 career HR's when he came to the Yankees. He hit 659 HR's over the next 15 seasons. The HR record would be untouchable if he'd spent his early years as a position player.

 

Or if he played in the cookie cutter ballparks that today's players have the luxury of. I'd quote the study of the guy who plotted out out his fly outs, but I don't remember the exact numbers. I'm sure many of you know the one I'm talking about.

Form a league with only white Americans today and see if a player like Jim Thome doesn't post INSANE numbers.

 

 

*Disclaimer: I'm ok with Ruth at #1.

 

I'm not really sure what color has to do with hitting?

:lol: What would Red sunglasses have to do with anything?

 

I never even followed the Reds until Griffey came to Cincinnati, let's get that straight.

I was not aware of that. But the fact that Griffey caused you to follow the Reds of all teams makes the bias even stronger.

I'm not really sure what color has to do with hitting?

 

He's speaking in terms of the fact that when Ruth played African-Americans and foreign players weren't playing. Think of the talent that would be excluded from today's game (both hitters and pitchers), if it were that way still.

I'm not really sure what color has to do with hitting?

 

He's referring to the quality of pitchers he would have been facing.