I don't think Title IX demands "exact" treatment. Diddle is fine. Its a D1 arena. Rupp is a D1 arena.

 

Maybe Rupp doesn't want the girls tourney.

 

Then why do girls HAVE to play X amount of games AT HOME on friday night? Sounds like exact treatment to me. And they could simply rotate the boys and girls every year......one at Western, and one at Rupp?? Or is it that the KHSAA would LOSE money.......like every school is taking a hit by playing the girls game's at home on friday night, or paying $1 million for land adjacent to a high school so the girls can have a field on site like the boys? Again, sounds like exact treatment to me.

The KHSAA does not accept Federal Funding so technically they are not required to adhere to Title IX.

 

So it's ok for the body that is in charge of high school sports in a state to not be in compliance, but every school in that same association has to be?

The KHSAA does not accept Federal Funding so technically they are not required to adhere to Title IX.

 

 

http://www.khsaa.org/titleix/revisitcover.pdf

That is a gray area.

 

Title IX is more about equal "opportunity" and one could argue that the Girls Tourney players have not had the "opportunity" to be showcased at Rupp.

 

Sort of similar to having the opportunity of playing in "prime time" games.

 

Big difference. The schools can control the schedule and give girls equal access to prime time. Rupp cannot be forced to host the girls tourney. It would be a tough legal argument to make that girls are not getting equal access when they get to play in a very nice D1 arena.

Big difference. The schools can control the schedule and give girls equal access to prime time. Rupp cannot be forced to host the girls tourney. It would be a tough legal argument to make that girls are not getting equal access when they get to play in a very nice D1 arena.

 

Danger Will Robinson!!! Gray area!!

 

B. Locker Rooms, Practice and Competitive Facilities This is one of the most common program areas in which OCR finds significant differences between the benefits provided to women’s and men’s athletic programs. In determining compliance with Title IX consider:

 

The quality and availability of the facilities provided for practice and competitive events

 

The exclusivity of use of the facilities provided for practice and competitive events

 

 

Ask the following questions:

 

Do any of the policies, procedures, or criteria used for assigning locker rooms, practice and competitive facilities differ on the basis of sex?

 

Are the men’s locker room facilities, as well as men’s rights to use them, different from the women’s locker room facilities and women’s rights to them?

 

Are there differences in women’s and men’s rights to use the general facilities, including the fields and the gyms?

 

 

Red Flags

 

Is there a significant overall difference between the facilities or playing fields provided to the women’s program as compared to the men’s program?

 

Are women’s teams relegated to auxiliary gyms while men’s teams have priority of access to main gyms or prime playing fields?

Big difference. The schools can control the schedule and give girls equal access to prime time. Rupp cannot be forced to host the girls tourney. It would be a tough legal argument to make that girls are not getting equal access when they get to play in a very nice D1 arena.

 

I disagree. I'm sure Rupp will let the girls play there, as long as the KHSAA pays the same amount for the rental of the facility. Otherwise Rupp would face a discrimination suit as well. If it's available to rent for boys, it would have to be available to rent for girls.

So it's ok for the body that is in charge of high school sports in a state to not be in compliance, but every school in that same association has to be?

 

 

I don't like the answer anymore than you do, but the answer to your question is yes.

 

This comes directly from the KHSAA, not me.

Then why do girls HAVE to play X amount of games AT HOME on friday night? Sounds like exact treatment to me. And they could simply rotate the boys and girls every year......one at Western, and one at Rupp?? Or is it that the KHSAA would LOSE money.......like every school is taking a hit by playing the girls game's at home on friday night, or paying $1 million for land adjacent to a high school so the girls can have a field on site like the boys? Again, sounds like exact treatment to me.

 

The KHSAA does not require exact treatment. They do not require that the girls play the exact same number of games at home on prime dates during prime time as the boys do. Someday it may come to that if the federal govt tightens its rules, but as for now that is not the requirement. Other than what UK fans may think of the prestige of Rupp, Diddle is just as nice of a facility as Rupp is in my opinion. The difference to us N.Kyians is the distance, but I'm sure the girls teams from W. Ky like Diddle's location.

 

As for the money issue, in spite of what many may think, the KHSAA tries to be reasonable in its interpretation of IX. They realize the cost impact of some of the issues. What really gets them going however is when schools make little or no effort to get things even close. At the end of the day if a high school only has one quality venue, what's wrong in allowing the ladies a fair number of prime time nights to use it? If there are two facilities and one is really nice and the other is a dump, the KHSAA is only saying either upgrade the dump if that's where the ladies are playing or let the ladies play some of their games in the nice facility and have the boys play some of their games in the dump.

 

I don't even have any girls but the KHSAA's enforcement of the issue seems reasonable to me from what I've seen. Maybe there are some horror stories out there but I've not heard them. As for requiring a school to buy land for $1 million so the girls don't have to play offsite, that could have been easily avoided if the girls played some of their games at the onsite field and the boys played some of their games off site. My guess is that the coach of the boys team did not want to play any games at the offsite field. Your issue would be like the KHSAA requiring each high school to have a girls gym and a boys gym of equal size and quality. The KHSAA does not require that. They only require the girls to play some of their home games in the main gym. I think the requirement is that 40% of the home games must be at prime times on prime dates in the main gym.

 

 

I As for requiring a school to buy land for $1 million so the girls don't have to play offsite, that could have been easily avoided if the girls played some of their games at the onsite field and the boys played some of their games off site. My guess is that the coach of the boys team did not want to play any games at the offsite field.

 

LN - in this particular example, I'm pretty sure we're talking baseball and fastpitch. You cannot have a basebal game on a fastpitch field and vice versa.

LN - in this particular example, I'm pretty sure we're talking baseball and fastpitch. You cannot have a basebal game on a fastpitch field and vice versa.

 

 

Ooops. Sorry about that. My apologies to all. And thatnks for telling me something that I didn't know. Why can't you play fastpitch softball on a baseball field? (Remember, I have no daughters; I've seen a fast pitch softball game, but obviously didn't pay close enough attention)

Ooops. Sorry about that. My apologies to all. And thatnks for telling me something that I didn't know. Why can't you play fastpitch softball on a baseball field? (Remember, I have no daughters; I've seen a fast pitch softball game, but obviously didn't pay close enough attention)

Bases in softball are I think 60 feet. There is no mound. The fences are also a lot shorter. Those are the big differences.

Bases in softball are I think 60 feet. There is no mound. The fences are also a lot shorter. Those are the big differences.

Now I will really show my lack of baseball knowledge: is it a big deal to install and un-install pitching mounds? It just a pile of dirt isn't it? I mean comparing the cost of installing some temporary fences for softball, moving the bases and removing the pitching mound vs spending a million dollars to acquire the land for a new softball complex, does it make sense to have the baseball team play the first half of their home schedule at the on site complex and then have the mound removed for the second half so that the girls could play the second half of the season at the on site facility? Just wondering.

LN - many high school fields have grass infields set up for 90 feet bases. If a fastpitch team were to play on that field with 60 foot bases, they would be running from 1st to 2nd and from 2nd to 3rd on grass while running from home to first and 3rd to home on dirt. Additionally, the average fastpitch fence is 200 feet from home plate. Baseball, obviously, is more like 300+.

 

Picture the HHS boys baseball team playing their games on the field down in Death Valley where the softball team plays. Wouldn't work.

LN - many high school fields have grass infields set up for 90 feet bases. If a fastpitch team were to play on that field with 60 foot bases, they would be running from 1st to 2nd and from 2nd to 3rd on grass while running from home to first and 3rd to home on dirt. Additionally, the average fastpitch fence is 200 feet from home plate. Baseball, obviously, is more like 300+.

 

Picture the HHS boys baseball team playing their games on the field down in Death Valley where the softball team plays. Wouldn't work.

 

 

Thanks. I don't know much about any sport other than badminton :laugh: .

LN - many high school fields have grass infields set up for 90 feet bases. If a fastpitch team were to play on that field with 60 foot bases, they would be running from 1st to 2nd and from 2nd to 3rd on grass while running from home to first and 3rd to home on dirt. Additionally, the average fastpitch fence is 200 feet from home plate. Baseball, obviously, is more like 300+.

 

Picture the HHS boys baseball team playing their games on the field down in Death Valley where the softball team plays. Wouldn't work.

 

Softball team doesn't play in Death Valley. That would be a Title IX no-no (having a Girls team play on campus when the Boys do not).