But didn't this turn out to be fun?

 

:lol:

 

I have been quite amused by it.

But didn't this turn out to be fun?

 

Much more so than many of the posts in this forum these days.

Much more so than many of the posts in this forum these days.

 

I've at least enjoyed the discussion. I don't usually venture over here to much. And honestly learned quite a bit more.

Abul Hasan

 

Abul Hasan died in 1699 and Hans Lippershey died in 1619. I pretty sure Hans made his first.

So then we are right, right? Acemona shouldn't be claiming that Muslims invented Astronomy. Numbers are still up in the air lol.

 

Numbers aren't up in the air. I pose this question, which came first? numbers or Muslims?

 

From wikipedia...

 

Arabic numerals or Hindu numerals or Hindu-Arabic numerals are the ten digits (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9). They are descended from the Hindu-Arabic numeral system developed by Indian mathematicians, by which a sequence of numerals such as "975" is read as a whole number. The Indian numerals were adopted by the Persian mathematicians in India, and passed on to the Arabs further west. From there they were transmitted to Europe in the Middle Ages. The use of Arabic numerals spread around the world through European trade, books and colonialism. Today they are the most common symbolic representation of numbers in the world.

 

 

And later...

 

The decimal Hindu-Arabic numeral system was invented in India around 500 AD.

 

I consider that significant, in light of this...

 

According to the traditionalist view, the Qur'an began with revelations on Muhammad's divine revelations in AD 610.

 

 

I ask, how can Muslims have invented something that predates their existence?

 

 

I will take this time to thank the Arabs and/or Indians who invented our current number system. It's a lot simpler than Roman numerals. I don't see it as endorsing Muslim traditions though.

I've at least enjoyed the discussion. I don't usually venture over here to much. And honestly learned quite a bit more.

 

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It was enlightening I must say.

 

I'm trying to think of a false claim to make that will generate another.

 

I've learned one lesson with age. If you want to generate discussion and get people involved, start it off by saying something that's wrong.

I've at least enjoyed the discussion. I don't usually venture over here to much. And honestly learned quite a bit more.

 

It's always nice to see someone new venture over here and join in the debate.

 

I end up learning A LOT from this forum. It's definitely a better "news" source than CNN, MSNBC, or FOXNews :lol:

It's always nice to see someone new venture over here and join in the debate.

 

I end up learning A LOT from this forum. It's definitely a better "news" source than CNN, MSNBC, or FOXNews :lol:

 

I don't know man, I feel like it swings to the left quite a bit lol jk.

 

Yeah, it is defnitely informative.

Numbers aren't up in the air. I pose this question, which came first? numbers or Muslims?

 

From wikipedia...

 

Arabic numerals or Hindu numerals or Hindu-Arabic numerals are the ten digits (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9). They are descended from the Hindu-Arabic numeral system developed by Indian mathematicians, by which a sequence of numerals such as "975" is read as a whole number. The Indian numerals were adopted by the Persian mathematicians in India, and passed on to the Arabs further west. From there they were transmitted to Europe in the Middle Ages. The use of Arabic numerals spread around the world through European trade, books and colonialism. Today they are the most common symbolic representation of numbers in the world.

 

 

And later...

 

The decimal Hindu-Arabic numeral system was invented in India around 500 AD.

 

I consider that significant, in light of this...

 

According to the traditionalist view, the Qur'an began with revelations on Muhammad's divine revelations in AD 610.

 

 

I ask, how can Muslims have invented something that predates their existence?

 

 

I will take this time to thank the Arabs and/or Indians who invented our current number system. It's a lot simpler than Roman numerals. I don't see it as endorsing Muslim traditions though.

 

Using that logic and the statement that only Christians are going to heaven, no one before 33AD or thereabouts went to heaven, because there were no Christians.

 

But we know that traditions often outdate religions most noted "prophets".

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It was enlightening I must say.

 

I'm trying to think of a false claim to make that will generate another.

 

I've learned one lesson with age. If you want to generate discussion and get people involved, start it off by saying something that's wrong.

Well, Ace is definitely your man for that.:lol:

Using that logic and the statement that only Christians are going to heaven, no one before 33AD or thereabouts went to heaven, because there were no Christians.

 

But we know that traditions often outdate religions most noted "prophets".

 

How do you equate an opinion "only Christians going to Heaven" with a fact (numbers predate Islam). If numbers were created before the birth of Islam, how is using them endorsing Muslim traditions?

 

Also even if it were true, how would numbers reflect Muslim traditions? They wear clothes, they treat their wives like property (according to some on here). If we wear clothes and treat our wives poorly, are we endorsing Muslim traditions? BTW, my daughter has introduced me to some might fine eats from the Arabic culture. Am I endorsing Muslim traditions because I like the food?

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Well, Ace is definitely your man for that.:lol:

 

Well...I don't know if he actually believed what he posted, or if he did it to generate some discussion. I don't presume to know. But, I've used that tactic before myself. And, it typically works.

 

When I've lead discussions, I've found a wrong answer will get responses whereas just the question itself will get crickets.

Using that logic and the statement that only Christians are going to heaven, no one before 33AD or thereabouts went to heaven, because there were no Christians.

 

But we know that traditions often outdate religions most noted "prophets".

 

I found one bit of information that said the Indian/Arabic number system was first found in Buddhist texts from around 300 BC.

 

That predates Islam by what, 9 centuries?

 

I think we're promoting Buddhism, not Islam.

 

Those poor Jews...all that work, all that chosen people stuff, and ultimately they missed out because they chose the wrong moniker. Live and learn....well, maybe not.

I've studied Arabic for several years now and you all would be shocked at the number of words we use everyday that have origins in Arabic.