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Instead of having "blind luck" play such a big role in the State Tournament and penalize many players whose teams have achieved a lot during the season, (for example why have Marion Co. and Mercy play the 1st game?)why not expand the tournament to 32 teams that would include the 16 regional winners and the next 16 highest ranked teams in the State. Then seed the State Tournament to reward those teams based on the whole season - again, not blind draw luck. Imagine if the NCAA only allowed 1 team from each conference into the Tournament and a blind draw determined the pairings!

 

It would look like this: (for this example, the LIT rankings only were used. There are other ranking services that some combination could include to get a numerical ranking):

 

LIT Rank

Regional Winners

Butler 86.6

Henderson County 98.1

Mercy 98.2

Marion 108.2

Rowan 83.5

Breathitt County 89.0

Clay 90.3

Anderson 83.2

Bowling Green 101.8

Boone 97.4

Scott Co. 94.0

Belfry 65.3

Murray 88.7

Rockcastle 99.1

George Rogers Clark 81.8

Ohio 84.7

 

Next 16 Highest Ranked Teams

Manual 105.8

Elizabethtown 99.6

Lincoln County 99.5

Madison Central 98.5

Webster County 97.9

Newport Catholic 97.4

Christian Academy 95.0

Ryle 93.5

Bullitt East 92.3

Franklin County 91.8

Bryan Station 90.8

Highlands 90.7

Sacred Heart 90.3

Ballard 89.3

Paul Dunbar 89.3

Lexington Catholic 89.2

 

By Rankings

Marion 108.2

Manual 105.8

Bowling Green 101.8

Elizabethtown 99.6

Lincoln County 99.5

Rockcastle 99.1

Madison Central 98.5

Mercy 98.2

Henderson County 98.1

Webster County 97.9

Boone 97.4

Newport Catholic 97.4

Christian Academy 95.0

Scott Co. 94.0

Ryle 93.5

Bullitt East 92.3

Franklin County 91.8

Bryan Station 90.8

Highlands 90.7

Clay 90.3

Sacred Heart 90.3

Ballard 89.3

Paul Dunbar 89.3

Lexington Catholic 89.2

Breathitt County 89.0

Murray 88.7

Butler 86.6

Ohio 84.7

Rowan 83.5

Anderson 83.2

George Rogers Clark 81.8

Belfry 65.3

 

So Marion County would play Belfry in the first round, 2 vs 31, etc. It would only add one more day to the playoffs and bring even more people to the State Tournament. Every Region is guaranteed to be represented.

Posted
yawn. It ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

 

I feel like everyone whose team didn't make it, yet they had planned on it are the ones who are always complaining and trying to beat a dead horse :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

 

 

I have seen a few times when my beloved Rockcastle County teams have made it to state yet gone up against the best teams in the tournament in the first round of the Sweet 16...do I wish they didn't have to do so? Yes. Do I think its a good way to have the system? Yes because that's the luck of the draw. No way do they need to reseed and allow more teams to go to Diddle or Rupp.

 

This proposal sounds almost as outlandish as the 96 team NCAA tournament that has been kicked around.

 

I feel like if your team was good enough to be at the Sweet 16 at either Rupp Arena or Diddle Arena, they would have defeated the teams they were to play in order to get there. If they didn't win then it just wasn't meant to be.

Posted

They are high school kids that are going to be out of school enough as it is. So, you propose have them out for almost two weeks of school? This is not the NCAA. The KY state tourney is one of the best around, due to the fact that its not a "class system" and everyone has a shot.

Posted

With a format like the one proposed, could you imagine the politics involved? Even rumors of schools paying of the individuals who run the ratings system? The controversy would be never ending. If you want to be number one you have to beat the best. So what makes the difference if you beat the better team in the first round or in the Championship? You have to do it sooner or later.

Posted
Instead of having "blind luck" play such a big role in the State Tournament and penalize many players whose teams have achieved a lot during the season, (for example why have Marion Co. and Mercy play the 1st game?)why not expand the tournament to 32 teams that would include the 16 regional winners and the next 16 highest ranked teams in the State. Then seed the State Tournament to reward those teams based on the whole season - again, not blind draw luck. Imagine if the NCAA only allowed 1 team from each conference into the Tournament and a blind draw determined the pairings!

 

It would look like this: (for this example, the LIT rankings only were used. There are other ranking services that some combination could include to get a numerical ranking):

 

LIT Rank

Regional Winners

Butler 86.6

Henderson County 98.1

Mercy 98.2

Marion 108.2

Rowan 83.5

Breathitt County 89.0

Clay 90.3

Anderson 83.2

Bowling Green 101.8

Boone 97.4

Scott Co. 94.0

Belfry 65.3

Murray 88.7

Rockcastle 99.1

George Rogers Clark 81.8

Ohio 84.7

 

Next 16 Highest Ranked Teams

Manual 105.8

Elizabethtown 99.6

Lincoln County 99.5

Madison Central 98.5

Webster County 97.9

Newport Catholic 97.4

Christian Academy 95.0

Ryle 93.5

Bullitt East 92.3

Franklin County 91.8

Bryan Station 90.8

Highlands 90.7

Sacred Heart 90.3

Ballard 89.3

Paul Dunbar 89.3

Lexington Catholic 89.2

 

By Rankings

Marion 108.2

Manual 105.8

Bowling Green 101.8

Elizabethtown 99.6

Lincoln County 99.5

Rockcastle 99.1

Madison Central 98.5

Mercy 98.2

Henderson County 98.1

Webster County 97.9

Boone 97.4

Newport Catholic 97.4

Christian Academy 95.0

Scott Co. 94.0

Ryle 93.5

Bullitt East 92.3

Franklin County 91.8

Bryan Station 90.8

Highlands 90.7

Clay 90.3

Sacred Heart 90.3

Ballard 89.3

Paul Dunbar 89.3

Lexington Catholic 89.2

Breathitt County 89.0

Murray 88.7

Butler 86.6

Ohio 84.7

Rowan 83.5

Anderson 83.2

George Rogers Clark 81.8

Belfry 65.3

 

So Marion County would play Belfry in the first round, 2 vs 31, etc. It would only add one more day to the playoffs and bring even more people to the State Tournament. Every Region is guaranteed to be represented.

Thank you!:thumb:
Posted

Have you ever been to Western Kentucky University where the girls tournament has been played? They put on a great show and the atmosphere is AMAZING. If it goes to REupp Arena, you've going to have maybe 5,000-6,000 people there for the finals in a ~25,000 seat arena...that's definitely not good.

 

From the looks of things, the only people thinking there should be a re-working of the state tournament are those whose teams lost in the regional tournament otherwise they wouldn't be saying anything.

Posted

The KY High School Basketball Championship for girls and boys is the best show in the United States for high school basketball. Anyone who ever participated will tell you it is special to know you are a true STATE champion, not something based upon geography or size of your school. I believe we are the last state that has one champion with the last holdout, Indiana, who wishes they had not switched. I hope this never changes. I also think the seeding would be an extension of weighing larger schools against the small. The most scrutinized tournament, the NCAA mens tournament, has difficulty determining seeding, and actually seeing who the best 64-65 teams are despite research and information comparable to NASA. Despite this the Monday after the NCAA picks come out, the talk shows are full of debate of who got what seeding or left out of the tournament. Do you think you can determine Betsy Lane, Reidland, and Ryle strength based upon local writers or comparative scores? Would seeding bring out horrible mismatches, remember in Mens NCAA a 16 has never beat a 1 seed, in Womens Harvard once beat Stanford. Some of the best games you ever see are between some of the LIT ratings smaller schools, wanting to say 'remember the year we won a state tournament game. The atmosphere is electric to anyone who attends. Diddle Arena is perfectly designed for the Girls Tournament. If you have not attended the final game, you owe it to yourself see what a unique experience this is. Having the tournament in a town that recognizes the event, makes it special as well. Its fun to go into a restaurant and see all the schools and fans. It gives the kids a good feeling to be recognized. I'm pumped and look forward to what each year is a unique tournament with different matchups and the colorful history that is written. Nothing wrong with wanting the best formula for these kids, To change the format would be like Coke changing their formula, uhm, that didn't work out too well did it.

Posted
And move the girls to Rupp where they belong. I can't believe with Title 9 that more people haven't raised a little stink over this.

 

 

That's because hardly anybody who has actually been to diddle wants to move it anywhere else.

 

 

 

 

And could you imagine how crazy it would be to take the next 16 highest rated teams?? Teams would have to worry all year about their computer rank and would be beating teams as badly as they could (b/c it would help their ranking). This would be a disaster.

Posted
Instead of having "blind luck" play such a big role in the State Tournament and penalize many players whose teams have achieved a lot during the season, (for example why have Marion Co. and Mercy play the 1st game?)why not expand the tournament to 32 teams that would include the 16 regional winners and the next 16 highest ranked teams in the State. Then seed the State Tournament to reward those teams based on the whole season - again, not blind draw luck. Imagine if the NCAA only allowed 1 team from each conference into the Tournament and a blind draw determined the pairings!

 

It would look like this: (for this example, the LIT rankings only were used. There are other ranking services that some combination could include to get a numerical ranking):

 

LIT Rank

Regional Winners

Butler 86.6

Henderson County 98.1

Mercy 98.2

Marion 108.2

Rowan 83.5

Breathitt County 89.0

Clay 90.3

Anderson 83.2

Bowling Green 101.8

Boone 97.4

Scott Co. 94.0

Belfry 65.3

Murray 88.7

Rockcastle 99.1

George Rogers Clark 81.8

Ohio 84.7

 

Next 16 Highest Ranked Teams

Manual 105.8

Elizabethtown 99.6

Lincoln County 99.5

Madison Central 98.5

Webster County 97.9

Newport Catholic 97.4

Christian Academy 95.0

Ryle 93.5

Bullitt East 92.3

Franklin County 91.8

Bryan Station 90.8

Highlands 90.7

Sacred Heart 90.3

Ballard 89.3

Paul Dunbar 89.3

Lexington Catholic 89.2

 

By Rankings

Marion 108.2

Manual 105.8

Bowling Green 101.8

Elizabethtown 99.6

Lincoln County 99.5

Rockcastle 99.1

Madison Central 98.5

Mercy 98.2

Henderson County 98.1

Webster County 97.9

Boone 97.4

Newport Catholic 97.4

Christian Academy 95.0

Scott Co. 94.0

Ryle 93.5

Bullitt East 92.3

Franklin County 91.8

Bryan Station 90.8

Highlands 90.7

Clay 90.3

Sacred Heart 90.3

Ballard 89.3

Paul Dunbar 89.3

Lexington Catholic 89.2

Breathitt County 89.0

Murray 88.7

Butler 86.6

Ohio 84.7

Rowan 83.5

Anderson 83.2

George Rogers Clark 81.8

Belfry 65.3

 

So Marion County would play Belfry in the first round, 2 vs 31, etc. It would only add one more day to the playoffs and bring even more people to the State Tournament. Every Region is guaranteed to be represented.

 

Excellent idea.

This would bring Kentucky into the 21st century. This would still allow those people in the sticks to come watch their teams at Rupp. Unfortunately they would probably be watching them get pounded by the regional runners-up from the 11th & 7th etc.. that never get to go to Rupp.

Posted
Excellent idea.

This would bring Kentucky into the 21st century. This would still allow those people in the sticks to come watch their teams at Rupp. Unfortunately they would probably be watching them get pounded by the regional runners-up from the 11th & 7th etc.. that never get to go to Rupp.

 

Wow. What will you have to say when there is no team from Lexington or Louisville in the 2nd round?

Posted
The KY High School Basketball Championship for girls and boys is the best show in the United States for high school basketball. Anyone who ever participated will tell you it is special to know you are a true STATE champion, not something based upon geography or size of your school. I believe we are the last state that has one champion with the last holdout, Indiana, who wishes they had not switched. I hope this never changes. I also think the seeding would be an extension of weighing larger schools against the small. The most scrutinized tournament, the NCAA mens tournament, has difficulty determining seeding, and actually seeing who the best 64-65 teams are despite research and information comparable to NASA. Despite this the Monday after the NCAA picks come out, the talk shows are full of debate of who got what seeding or left out of the tournament. Do you think you can determine Betsy Lane, Reidland, and Ryle strength based upon local writers or comparative scores? Would seeding bring out horrible mismatches, remember in Mens NCAA a 16 has never beat a 1 seed, in Womens Harvard once beat Stanford. Some of the best games you ever see are between some of the LIT ratings smaller schools, wanting to say 'remember the year we won a state tournament game. The atmosphere is electric to anyone who attends. Diddle Arena is perfectly designed for the Girls Tournament. If you have not attended the final game, you owe it to yourself see what a unique experience this is. Having the tournament in a town that recognizes the event, makes it special as well. Its fun to go into a restaurant and see all the schools and fans. It gives the kids a good feeling to be recognized. I'm pumped and look forward to what each year is a unique tournament with different matchups and the colorful history that is written. Nothing wrong with wanting the best formula for these kids, To change the format would be like Coke changing their formula, uhm, that didn't work out too well did it.

 

Whoa big fella! I agree with a lot of your points...but, some of them don't even pertain to the question. The question of classes was never brought up. So regardless of seeding, you would still have ONE winner at the end that would be crowned State Champion.

 

While I don't agree with what is specifically proposed...I think there might be room for seeding the existing 16 regional winners...IF you could find an unbiased way to do it (which I think would be the biggest drawback). My reasoning? Well, I believe there's a lot of districts that do seeding heading into their tournament. You'll see a 1 play a 4, and a 2 play a 3 there.

 

Even in the regional, you'll see a modified version of seeding, where a district winner gets a supposedly "easier" first round game, by playing a runner-up from another district. So, the theory behind having your semi-finals and championship games most likely featuring your best teams is already in place at the two previous levels. So, why not the state?

 

But, like I said, I don't believe you'd be able to get a good unbiased opinion on who the top seeds are from the regional winners. So, it's unlikely to occur.

 

And for those of you who are so against sending a "second-tier" of schools to the state level...how come we do it with the region? If we're going to say that at the regional level "to be the best, you have to beat the best"...why is it that the region is made up of district winners AND runners-up? Half the teams in the regional tournament are made up of someone who's already lost in the postseason.

Posted
And move the girls to Rupp where they belong. I can't believe with Title 9 that more people haven't raised a little stink over this.

 

UK hoops, doesn't even use Rupp as their home court.

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