November 16, 200916 yr http://waltjr.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/bombshell-uncovered-obama-statement-ksm-will-get-full-military-trial/ Obama said on the senate floor that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is going to get a “full military trial with all the bells and whistles”…”justice will be carried out in his case”
November 16, 200916 yr Justice will be carried out if 3,000 of his relatives are burned or suffocated........
November 16, 200916 yr Justice will be carried out if 3,000 of his relatives are burned or suffocated........ :thumb:
November 16, 200916 yr Justice will be carried out if 3,000 of his relatives are burned or suffocated........ Not to those relatives, it won't. I'm glad no one wants to punish me for the mistakes that some of my family members have made.
November 16, 200916 yr Author The main point was that the plan now is to bring the terrorists to the US and try them in a civilian court in NYC. There is no reason to bring them inside US boarders and no reason to provide them a civilian trial in US court.
November 16, 200916 yr Not to those relatives, it won't. I'm glad no one wants to punish me for the mistakes that some of my family members have made. :thumb:
November 16, 200916 yr Not to those relatives, it won't. I'm glad no one wants to punish me for the mistakes that some of my family members have made. :thumb::thumb::thumb:
November 17, 200916 yr Mohammed is not a US citizen, correct? My understanding though is that since he is brought on US soil with a non-military trial, he will be awarded the same criminal rights that a US citizen would have. It was a war crime and should be treated as such.
November 17, 200916 yr I can see it now. He will probably represent himself. He will try to have all charges dropped because his rights were not read to him. He will claim the "torture" made him confess. He will use Obamas numerous "wrongfully tortured" statements as a defense. Didn't he try to plead guilty and be executed? Big mistake on someones part by not letting him do just that.
November 17, 200916 yr My understanding though is that since he is brought on US soil with a non-military trial, he will be awarded the same criminal rights that a US citizen would have. It was a war crime and should be treated as such. He definitely has rights; however, the military trial will allow for some variations. It is permissible to try enemy combatants who are accused of war crimes in military courts. We do not have to give them access to our ordinary courts, which we would have to do if he was a US citizen. The Geneva Convention allows us to use military courts against a military combatant (which Mohammed qualifies as), but forces us to use fair procedures (such as the ones we'd use against our own soldiers.) One of the benefits of the military tribunal is that we can make some small "variations", such as permitting hearsay & not being required to show the evidence against Mohammed to him. At least that's how I understand it.
November 17, 200916 yr Author In a US civilian trial you are to be judged by a jury of your peers. Maybe they plan to dig up Hussain (Sadam). Maybe they can get the freed Lockerbe bomber. Is Walker - the American Jihadist - still available?
November 17, 200916 yr Author "Just informed him of the decision." - Holder on Obama involvement in decision to bring terrorists into the country. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/july-dec09/holder2_11-13.html JIM LEHRER: Who did you consult while making this decision? ERIC HOLDER: I talked to the prosecutors in the Justice Department, prosecutors from the Department of Defense, people on the staff here at the Justice Department, people at Defense, a whole variety of people, who shared ideas, thoughts, gave cautionary ideas as well, and, using all of that, came up with the decision that we announced just earlier today. JIM LEHRER: Did you run it by President Obama? ERIC HOLDER: Just informed him of the decision. More... JIM LEHRER: Did you talk to anybody outside the government? ERIC HOLDER: I talked to my wife... JIM LEHRER: Yes? OK. ERIC HOLDER: ... about what she thought. And I actually talked to my brother, who's a retired Port Authority police officer who served... JIM LEHRER: Oh, is that right? Yes.
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