I don't think there's any doubt that these guys will be fired if it's proven that it was intentional. And, I don't think anyone on here would argue with that.

 

I didn't see the game. I'm curious to know if there were any other suspicious calls during the course of the game that would raise some eyebrows. Was there anything to hint that the refs may have been attempting to manipulate the point spread?

 

There was another terrible call on the same drive. It happened before the unsportsman call. It had nothing to do w/ the spread. The spread was never in question. IMO it had to do w/ "we can't let Florida lose this". It was fishy at best. Florida being down 7 w/ 7 minutes left to go was when it got goofy. I didn't watch the entire game, but it seemed like the game was being called well before the last drive.

Who wants to be a referee? Remember

1. Its part time.

2. You are outnumbered (more players than refs).

3. Your working conditions changes from day to day.

4. And lots of people claim you need to see an optometrists.

 

Ok here's the deal though. If they aren't paying enough they need to pay more. They need to have full time officials doing this. There is too much money on the line for games to be decided by phantom calls.

 

It's not only a problem in the SEC. It's getting worse in each sport college and pro. The refs in the NBA are a joke. The MLB postseason right now is as bad of a job of umpiring as I've ever seen. It needs to be adressed everywhere.

Does anyone know what these guys make? I'm not thinking BCS level officials are underpaid.

 

Game fee and per diem, about $1200 - 1500 a game.

There was another terrible call on the same drive. It happened before the unsportsman call. It had nothing to do w/ the spread. The spread was never in question. IMO it had to do w/ "we can't let Florida lose this". It was fishy at best. Florida being down 7 w/ 7 minutes left to go was when it got goofy. I didn't watch the entire game, but it seemed like the game was being called well before the last drive.

 

My bad...I thought I read something that there were gambling concerns. Maybe I just assumed that.

There was another terrible call on the same drive. It happened before the unsportsman call. It had nothing to do w/ the spread. The spread was never in question. IMO it had to do w/ "we can't let Florida lose this". It was fishy at best. Florida being down 7 w/ 7 minutes left to go was when it got goofy. I didn't watch the entire game, but it seemed like the game was being called well before the last drive.

If there were shenanigans going on, the betting line is not the only thing at stake. A game has a money line (the odds for a team to just win the game), an over and under (total points scored in the game), and other proposition bets.

 

I am not saying any of this is going on in this case, but you can bet your life it has gone on in all sports.

 

In the recent case of the rogue NBA official, Tim Doneghy, he was fixing the games based on the over and under so he was making calls for and against both teams so as not to be obviously affecting the outcome for one team. He was affecting the total number of points scored in the ballgame which the fixing gamblers were playing.

 

The other issue which comes into question is not the gambling angle, but the angle of the SEC having an undefeated team in the national championship game. Muchos dollares for the conference.

I'm still ticked over that one too. :taz:

 

and the call on our center late in the game for moving the football! Absolutely killed me! :madman:

I don't really have any concrety proof evidence, but all these blunders by the refs/umps in sports lately has led me to wonder if they are playing favorites in these games and also is making me question if some of these games are being rigged. Sure I can't prove this but its really starting to make me wonder and with each and very big mistakes like the officials made in these big time games keeps making these questions build up in the back of my head.

If there were shenanigans going on, the betting line is not the only thing at stake. A game has a money line (the odds for a team to just win the game), an over and under (total points scored in the game), and other proposition bets.

 

I am not saying any of this is going on in this case, but you can bet your life it has gone on in all sports.

 

In the recent case of the rogue NBA official, Tim Doneghy, he was fixing the games based on the over and under so he was making calls for and against both teams so as not to be obviously affecting the outcome for one team. He was affecting the total number of points scored in the ballgame which the fixing gamblers were playing.

 

The other issue which comes into question is not the gambling angle, but the angle of the SEC having an undefeated team in the national championship game. Muchos dollares for the conference.

 

That former NBA official should have been hanged. Because now, with every bad call in every sport at every level, that jerk is the poster boy for validation of ridiculous conspiracy claims. And reasonable people now believe all officials are on the take.

 

You want the real conspiracy? Television networks.

 

Video review is available on every play. But the television networks want the games to fit into a prescribed time slot, and are heavily resistant to doing anything that causes games to drag on and viewers to lose interest. That's why the rules are written to limit video review. Controversy also creates publicity, don't discount that angle either.

 

Officials don't want to look bad on national TV. But it's good for the ratings.:madman:

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That former NBA official should have been hanged. Because now, with every bad call in every sport at every level, that jerk is the poster boy for validation of ridiculous conspiracy claims. And reasonable people now believe all officials are on the take.

 

You want the real conspiracy? Television networks.

 

Video review is available on every play. But the television networks want the games to fit into a prescribed time slot, and are heavily resistant to doing anything that causes games to drag on and viewers to lose interest. That's why the rules are written to limit video review. Controversy also creates publicity, don't discount that angle either.

 

Officials don't want to look bad on national TV. But it's good for the ratings.:madman:

There are always going to be bad calls in all sports. It is human error and it is part of the game. I feel much better about this particular situation after reading Marc Curles account of what took place (see link on post #28).

 

I am not here to start conspiracy theories. It is out there, and it has taken place in the past, and I am sure it will take place in the future.

 

While video review is available on every play, every play is not a reviewable play. I know the NFL has a set of reviewable/non-reviewable plays as does the NCAA.

 

These officials were suspended by the SEC commissioner's office for a reason and not just one incident and one human error. That will always be overlooked because we all make them.

There are always going to be bad calls in all sports. It is human error and it is part of the game. I feel much better about this particular situation after reading Marc Curles account of what took place (see link on post #28).

 

I am not here to start conspiracy theories. It is out there, and it has taken place in the past, and I am sure it will take place in the future.

 

While video review is available on every play, every play is not a reviewable play. I know the NFL has a set of reviewable/non-reviewable plays as does the NCAA.

 

These officials were suspended by the SEC commissioner's office for a reason and not just one incident and one human error. That will always be overlooked because we all make them.

 

I know you didn't dream up any conspiracy, you're one of the reasonable people I was talking about.

 

But my point remains that the technology exists to correct ALL "obviously erroneous calls" with video review. It is not being utilized because the television networks don't want it--no other reason. And they're making officials look like big-time wrestling villains because it's good for business.

A personal foul penalty is not reviewable is it?

A personal foul penalty is not reviewable is it?

 

No.

 

Fouls that are reviewable include: Illegal forward pass beyond NZ, Illegal kick beyond NZ, Illegal participation/substitution.

If there were shenanigans going on, the betting line is not the only thing at stake. A game has a money line (the odds for a team to just win the game), an over and under (total points scored in the game), and other proposition bets.

 

I am not saying any of this is going on in this case, but you can bet your life it has gone on in all sports.

 

In the recent case of the rogue NBA official, Tim Doneghy, he was fixing the games based on the over and under so he was making calls for and against both teams so as not to be obviously affecting the outcome for one team. He was affecting the total number of points scored in the ballgame which the fixing gamblers were playing.

 

The other issue which comes into question is not the gambling angle, but the angle of the SEC having an undefeated team in the national championship game. Muchos dollares for the conference.

 

I get all of that, but in this case it was simply the bolded IMO. There probably wasn't a moneyline b/c the spread was so high and the under was a lock unless each team scored a few times in OT.

My bad...I thought I read something that there were gambling concerns. Maybe I just assumed that.

 

No problem. I was just letting you know b/c you were asking questions. After the second bad call I told a freind the SEC will not let Florida lose.

No problem. I was just letting you know b/c you were asking questions. After the second bad call I told a freind the SEC will not let Florida lose.

Or let South Carolina lose to UK.:idunno: