July 16, 200917 yr Survey done with AFC North players on best QB and toughest player... http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcnorth/0-3-172/Player-survey--Top-QB-and-toughest-player.html
July 16, 200917 yr This is surprising after a Super Bowl ring and the only other QB with as much talent was injured all year.
July 16, 200917 yr It's much more interesting that the vote for second between Carson and Flacco was so close. Sorry, but I'm not rating a rookie whose best trait was to not make mistakes, and was fortunate enough to play on a team with a solid running game and an elite, playmaking defense that is good enough to win a few games itself if the offense takes care of the ball ahead of a guy whose worst full season of football resulted in 4100 yards, 26 TD/20 Int and a 64% completion rate. Seriously? I have no problem with Roethlisberger at #1. He's a proven winner with two Super Bowls and the much coveted ability to make winning plays in crunch time. But, the vote for second was as much a lock as for first. Carson Palmer is a stud when healthy. There's no question about it. All Joe Flacco has proven is that he has a strong arm, and he can be Trent Dilfer v.2000.
July 16, 200917 yr It's much more interesting that the vote for second between Carson and Flacco was so close. Sorry, but I'm not rating a rookie whose best trait was to not make mistakes, and was fortunate enough to play on a team with a solid running game and an elite, playmaking defense that is good enough to win a few games itself if the offense takes care of the ball ahead of a guy whose worst full season of football resulted in 4100 yards, 26 TD/20 Int and a 64% completion rate. Seriously? I have no problem with Roethlisberger at #1. He's a proven winner with two Super Bowls and the much coveted ability to make winning plays in crunch time. But, the vote for second was as much a lock as for first. Carson Palmer is a stud when healthy. There's no question about it. All Joe Flacco has proven is that he has a strong arm, and he can be Trent Dilfer v.2000. :thumb: At this point it's near impossible to argue with Big Ben. With that being said, I wouldn't trade Palmer for him...
July 16, 200917 yr It's much more interesting that the vote for second between Carson and Flacco was so close. Sorry, but I'm not rating a rookie whose best trait was to not make mistakes, and was fortunate enough to play on a team with a solid running game and an elite, playmaking defense that is good enough to win a few games itself if the offense takes care of the ball ahead of a guy whose worst full season of football resulted in 4100 yards, 26 TD/20 Int and a 64% completion rate. Seriously? I have no problem with Roethlisberger at #1. He's a proven winner with two Super Bowls and the much coveted ability to make winning plays in crunch time. But, the vote for second was as much a lock as for first. Carson Palmer is a stud when healthy. There's no question about it. All Joe Flacco has proven is that he has a strong arm, and he can be Trent Dilfer v.2000. Gotta remember though that a lot of the young players in the league have not played against a healthy Palmer.
July 16, 200917 yr Is this supposed to be surprising? Big Ben Flacco Palmer Whoever the Browns throw out there Obviously its Big Ben Toughest player? 2-3 years ago, it's Ray-Ray. Now it's Harrison. The funny thing is no Bengals player received a vote for toughest player.
July 16, 200917 yr Gotta remember though that a lot of the young players in the league have not played against a healthy Palmer. Rookies...there aren't that many of them, unless they only polled rookies? Palmer was healthy in '07 and it was his worst season. 64.9% 4131 Yards 26 TD/20 Int 86.7 QB Rating Flacco's numbers were respectable for a rookie...they're comparable to Carson Palmers rookie stats in 3 less games... Flacco - 16 Games, 257/428 (60%), 2971 Yards, 14 TD, 12 Int, 80.3 Rating Palmer - 13 Games, 263/432 (60.9%), 2897 Yards, 18 TD, 18 Int, 77.3 Rating
July 16, 200917 yr Is this supposed to be surprising? Big Ben Flacco Palmer Whoever the Browns throw out there Obviously its Big Ben Toughest player? 2-3 years ago, it's Ray-Ray. Now it's Harrison. The funny thing is no Bengals player received a vote for toughest player. I'd go with Hines Ward on the toughest player. JMO
July 16, 200917 yr I'm amazed I haven't heard it yet. But some of you are dancing around it … If it was the dirtiest player, Hines Ward would have won. Is that the mystery phrase? :lol:
July 16, 200917 yr If it was the dirtiest player, Hines Ward would have won. Is that the mystery phrase? :lol: Nope.
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