What is your approach to put the Ky Horse Racing industry on a sound foundation?

 

I am a teacher and don't put time into studying the issue that you have asked.

 

But there are people that do. And if slots are their best choice, well we have the wrong people there.

 

Are we going to have to allow slots at the KY Speedway to increase those purses, too? Or is simply horse racing is a dying sport and we are trying to prop it up?

So, do you have the same conviction for the other industries that are struggling in this state?

 

How about the newspapers that can't get advertising space sold to publish a paper? How about we give each local newspaper a row of 10 slots in these casinos to help them?

If the newspapers want to use slots to fund their papers...then by all means, let them.

 

There is also a KEY difference in your two industries...mainly pertaining to the reason they are failing.

I am a teacher and don't put time into studying the issue that you have asked.

 

But there are people that do. And if slots are their best choice, well we have the wrong people there.

 

Are we going to have to allow slots at the KY Speedway to increase those purses, too? Or is simply horse racing is a dying sport and we are trying to prop it up?

So you admittingly don't study up on the issue, but somehow this makes you an expert on what is right and wrong within the issue?

 

Once again...I don't care if KY Speedway wants to allow slots at their race track. That's actually not a bad idea...are you ssssuuuurrrrree you are on the right team?

So you admittingly don't study up on the issue, but somehow this makes you an expert on what is right and wrong within the issue?

 

Once again...I don't care if KY Speedway wants to allow slots at their race track. That's actually not a bad idea...are you ssssuuuurrrrree you are on the right team?

 

Please show me where I claimed to be an expert.

 

I stated my opinion and have expressed my view on how I came to that opinion upon your requests and many others.

 

Is there something wrong with that?

 

Well obviously, if horse racing cannot compete in the state of KY than the Speedway probably can't compete either. Or maybe if they can, it is a horse racing industry issue more than anything and again the 3rd rail question is "Are we propping up a dying industry?"

I am a teacher and don't put time into studying the issue that you have asked.

 

But there are people that do. And if slots are their best choice, well we have the wrong people there.

 

Are we going to have to allow slots at the KY Speedway to increase those purses, too? Or is simply horse racing is a dying sport and we are trying to prop it up?

 

Please show me where I claimed to be an expert.

 

I stated my opinion and have expressed my view on how I came to that opinion upon your requests and many others.

 

Is there something wrong with that?

 

Well obviously, if horse racing cannot compete in the state of KY than the Speedway probably can't compete either. Or maybe if they can, it is a horse racing industry issue more than anything and again the 3rd rail question is "Are we propping up a dying industry?"

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Is that me claiming to be an expert?

As long as it keeps a slot machine out of KY then I guess they don't care.

 

Problem is, those slot machines are already there. They're called "Cherry Masters" and other fun names at truck stops and VFW and Legion halls across the state. And the state doesn't realize a dime from them, just like the state receives no money when Kentucky folks go across the bridges in droves to help fund local and state government in Indiana, etc.

 

Isn't there a lot of industries like that?

 

Isn't your industry of the newspaper business in dire straits? Maybe we should start a gambling program to increase the profitability of small-town newspapers? Think that will get political attention?

 

How about other industries that are struggling? Maybe helping them too?

 

Or is this simply Louisville being up in arms because they are concerned about their Derby and it really doesn't affect most of the rest of the state? Another KY incident of Louisville thinking it is all about them and tired of the rest of the local, yokels throughout the state holding them back and daring to disagree with them. Just maybe?

 

Good try, but newspapers aren't Kentucky's signature industry.

 

And it has nothing to do with Louisville singly. What about the hundreds of people who work — or in most cases, used to work — in support of the tracks in Henderson and Florence? Or Franklin? Churchill Downs and Keeneland will always be there in some form, and the Kentucky Derby ain't going anywhere. But Turfway Park, Kentucky Downs and Ellis Park are hanging on by the skin of their collective teeth. Churchill Downs, which could arguably be considered the cathedral of thoroughbred racing, has already gone to four days a week in the early part of the spring meet, and may have to shrink the race week down further.

 

With all due respect, I think you and others of a similar mindset are not willing to see the big picture.

Many churches are not using gambling as a chief fundraiser. In fact, I don't know of a single Protestant church that does. Now admittingly, I don't know all of them, just saying I have never heard of one that uses gambling as a chief fundraiser.

 

And your last point helps make my point on one reason why we are in hard economic times. Poor financial decisions and the state of Kentucky is saying, "hey it is a good idea for us to make it easy for our citizens to make even WORSE choices financially. Yeah we will probably have to come back behind and clean up all the financial mess that will be created but that it is okay, it will make them feel good about ourselves."

 

Indiana also went to a class system in basketball, if they are so smart that we should follow them, guess we should do that too.

 

I might agree with your bolded point if we were talking about something that wasn't already happening. You're trying to close the barn door after the horse already left, if you pardon the pun.

Problem is, those slot machines are already there. They're called "Cherry Masters" and other fun names at truck stops and VFW and Legion halls across the state. And the state doesn't realize a dime from them, just like the state receives no money when Kentucky folks go across the bridges in droves to help fund local and state government in Indiana, etc.

 

 

 

Good try, but newspapers aren't Kentucky's signature industry.

 

And it has nothing to do with Louisville singly. What about the hundreds of people who work — or in most cases, used to work — in support of the tracks in Henderson and Florence? Or Franklin? Churchill Downs and Keeneland will always be there in some form, and the Kentucky Derby ain't going anywhere. But Turfway Park, Kentucky Downs and Ellis Park are hanging on by the skin of their collective teeth. Churchill Downs, which could arguably be considered the cathedral of thoroughbred racing, has already gone to four days a week in the early part of the spring meet, and may have to shrink the race week down further.

 

With all due respect, I think you and others of a similar mindset are not willing to see the big picture.

 

A report I read today said 100,000 jobs are tied to the horse racing industry in KY.

Please show me where I claimed to be an expert.

 

I stated my opinion and have expressed my view on how I came to that opinion upon your requests and many others.

 

Is there something wrong with that?

 

Well obviously, if horse racing cannot compete in the state of KY than the Speedway probably can't compete either. Or maybe if they can, it is a horse racing industry issue more than anything and again the 3rd rail question is "Are we propping up a dying industry?"

 

Nationally you could argue that it is a decaying industry. Horse racing was once the No. 1 spectator sport in the US, ahead of even baseball. Obviously, that time has long since past. But it's still a thriving industry — all you have to do is go to Keeneland on a Friday or Saturday during April or October and you can see that.

 

I don't understand the willingness to wield the shovel on the part of David Williams, yourself, and other like-minded folks, who seem to be gleefully ready to chuck dirt on the horse racing industry's rotting corpse. An industry, mind you, that helps put food on the table for more than 120,000 Kentuckians and pumps billions of dollars into our state's economy.

 

The horse racing industry ain't dead yet. But it is actively being poisoned through inaction and apathy.

Please show me where I claimed to be an expert.

 

I stated my opinion and have expressed my view on how I came to that opinion upon your requests and many others.

 

Is there something wrong with that?

 

Well obviously, if horse racing cannot compete in the state of KY than the Speedway probably can't compete either. Or maybe if they can, it is a horse racing industry issue more than anything and again the 3rd rail question is "Are we propping up a dying industry?"

You seem to think that your unstudied opinion is better than the people who actually study it. To me that is alluding that you are pretty knowledgeable in the field...maybe even an expert.

 

Nope and I think you for your opinion as I have been trying to grasp why this hasn't already happened.

 

The horse racing industry isn't dying at all, just in this backwards state. In actuality where slots are allowed the tracks are thriving.

Problem is, those slot machines are already there. They're called "Cherry Masters" and other fun names at truck stops and VFW and Legion halls across the state. And the state doesn't realize a dime from them, just like the state receives no money when Kentucky folks go across the bridges in droves to help fund local and state government in Indiana, etc.

 

 

 

Good try, but newspapers aren't Kentucky's signature industry.

 

And it has nothing to do with Louisville singly. What about the hundreds of people who work — or in most cases, used to work — in support of the tracks in Henderson and Florence? Or Franklin? Churchill Downs and Keeneland will always be there in some form, and the Kentucky Derby ain't going anywhere. But Turfway Park, Kentucky Downs and Ellis Park are hanging on by the skin of their collective teeth. Churchill Downs, which could arguably be considered the cathedral of thoroughbred racing, has already gone to four days a week in the early part of the spring meet, and may have to shrink the race week down further.

 

With all due respect, I think you and others of a similar mindset are not willing to see the big picture.

Excellent post all around.

 

I am very guilty of just using Louisville as an example since that's where I live and where the track I go to is. But you do an excellent job of pointing out the other communities where the tracks are truly on life support. As you said; Churchill has a long way to go before it is there, but it isn't far from becoming essentially a Derby only venue.

 

With the big spectacle that Derby is and the big dollar operations it highlights many people don't realize what the true horse racing industry is.

Is that me claiming to be an expert?

You say that the people getting paid to do the study are wrong if they have come to the conclusion slots are the answer. What do you call that?

 

If I tell NASA they are building the space shuttle wrong wouldn't I have to be an expert on the subject to be right?

Let the registered voters of Kentucky Vote...

 

If it does not pass I might not like it but I can live with it...Majority Rules...

 

Communism in Kentucky makes want to me :puke:

You say that the people getting paid to do the study are wrong if they have come to the conclusion slots are the answer. What do you call that?

 

If I tell NASA they are building the space shuttle wrong wouldn't I have to be an expert on the subject to be right?

 

My opinion.

 

If that makes us experts to have an opinion, well, I always thought highly of BGP but this place is FILLED WITH EXPERTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congrats to all you experts here on BGP.:dancingpa:dancingpa:dancingpa

 

I would ask for a payraise at work and tell them you are an expert now.:thumb::thumb::thumb: