I am not banning anything. You want to go gambling, go gambling, you have that choice.

 

I complained once in the Private/public thread about the rural counties not have the things that the urban counties had. I was told by some from Louisville, that if I didn't like it, move to where those things are and quit whining about it. Sound advice, I guess, so in that vein, if it is so important to you to go gambling move to a state that has it.

 

And you have a choice to go gambling as much as your little heart desires.

I don't have the choice when a senator from an area that I have no desire to live in over legislates and doesn't allow it.

 

Put it on the ballot where communities can decide what is in their communities and I'll quit discussing it. If Louisville vetoes the bill then they have nobody to blame but themselves. But as it is the landscape of Louisville is being decided by a select few that don't live in the town.

 

 

 

P.S. When I say Louisville I'm just using them as an example for any community in KY that wants to allow gambling.

On the bolded, wow.

If you took the time to look at an issue objectively you may see that my statement isn't far off...

I love them creating jobs. The post I responded to was about profitability. THat is money in the pockets of those million dollar homes. I don't care if they make 1 million instead of two million IN PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now if that poster wants to restate his post about something other than the rich being able to make more IN PROFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I forgot that nobody should be allowed to make money. Silly me.

I forgot that nobody should be allowed to make money. Silly me.

 

ABSOLUTELY people should be allowed to make money. I am for lowering or abolishing taxes on any profits that is directly used to create more jobs by reinvesting.

 

Put Pep said we should do this to make our horse breeders be even more profitable.

 

I didn't realize it was my job as a citizen in this state to make it where the rich people can make even more money.

Well so long to the Kentucky Derby. I wonder what it'll be called now? The Ohio Derby? The Virginia Derby?

 

I think this is a horribly poor decision and it will come back and hurt us in the long run. Kentucky is losing everything it is known for. People have a right to do with their money what they want, and just because some people choose not to gamble doesn't mean they have the right to disallow anyone else from doing so.

ABSOLUTELY people should be allowed to make money. I am for lowering or abolishing taxes on any profits that is directly used to create more jobs by reinvesting.

 

Put Pep said we should do this to make our horse breeders be even more profitable.

 

I didn't realize it was my job as a citizen in this state to make it where the rich people can make even more money.

 

If the breeders/owners aren't making a decent profit, they'll go elsewhere where they can. Gone with them (or, more likely, unemployed) are the tens of thousands of people paid by them — groomers, trainers, hot walkers, track employees, farm employees, etc. — who then plow their meager paychecks back into the economy. The breeders/owners are a convenient straw man for these type arguments, but the fact is inaction in this area will send them out of state, and put most/all of their employees out of work.

 

And besides, while folks like Brereton Jones and the Ramseys are the high-profile stereotypical wealthy horsey folks, most operations are far smaller in scale. Further inaction on the issue only serves to send more and more small business owners (because that's what most horse owners are) either out of state or out of business.

If the breeders/owners aren't making a decent profit, they'll go elsewhere where they can. Gone with them (or, more likely, unemployed) are the tens of thousands of people paid by them — groomers, trainers, hot walkers, track employees, farm employees, etc. — who then plow their meager paychecks back into the economy. The breeders/owners are a convenient straw man for these type arguments, but the fact is inaction in this area will send them out of state, and put most/all of their employees out of work.

 

And besides, while folks like Brereton Jones and the Ramseys are the high-profile stereotypical wealthy horsey folks, most operations are far smaller in scale. Further inaction on the issue only serves to send more and more small business owners (because that's what most horse owners are) either out of state or out of business.

 

As long as it keeps a slot machine out of KY then I guess they don't care.

Well so long to the Kentucky Derby. I wonder what it'll be called now? The Ohio Derby? The Virginia Derby?

 

I think this is a horribly poor decision and it will come back and hurt us in the long run. Kentucky is losing everything it is known for. People have a right to do with their money what they want, and just because some people choose not to gamble doesn't mean they have the right to disallow anyone else from doing so.

 

Not true, we have Coach Cal and he will make everything right with the world.:thumb:

 

On a serious note, you want to gamble you have every right and choice to go do it. No one is taking that right or choice to do that.

 

There is a lot of people in my home county that make the 45 minute drive very often to Lawrenceburg to gamble.

Good. We do not need expanded gambling in Kentucky. Or, gambling period, for that matter.

 

Do you blissfully live your life as though the little buildings up on that hill off exit 25 just aren't there? We do need it in order to stay competitive. Otherwise, our state just becomes more and more backward — which, for some, is probably peachy-keen.

 

I will answer your question with a simple question.

 

If you were personally in a tight, bad economic times, would you look to gambling as an answer to your problems?

 

What does it say about our society that state after state, community after community and many athletic departments are looking at a revenue source from gambling as the answer to their economic issues?

 

Forgive the pun, but that horse done left the barn a long time ago. Churches, sports teams, etc., have been using gambling as a chief fundraiser for decades.

 

It is a bandaid covering a gaping wound and simply makes everyone feel good about themselves instead of addressing real problems that require hard choices and answers. We are not willing to face up to that but rather want to be made to feel good by a politician telling us that slots are going to solve the problem. What happens when IN THIS HARD ECONOMIC TIMES people don't have any more money to put into the slot machines? Wonder what will happen to their bills when their money is going into the slot machines instead of into an envelope to pay their bills? Haven't we had enough of government buyouts of companies whose customers were not paying their bills because of overspending?

 

Hate to tell you, but the folks you mention are already gambling in some form or another. Why is it preferable to you and other opponents for them to spend this money — money that is going toward gambling in one form or another, anyway — in another state? Why should Indiana benefit from the weak will of Kentucky residents?

If the breeders/owners aren't making a decent profit, they'll go elsewhere where they can. Gone with them (or, more likely, unemployed) are the tens of thousands of people paid by them — groomers, trainers, hot walkers, track employees, farm employees, etc. — who then plow their meager paychecks back into the economy. The breeders/owners are a convenient straw man for these type arguments, but the fact is inaction in this area will send them out of state, and put most/all of their employees out of work.

 

And besides, while folks like Brereton Jones and the Ramseys are the high-profile stereotypical wealthy horsey folks, most operations are far smaller in scale. Further inaction on the issue only serves to send more and more small business owners (because that's what most horse owners are) either out of state or out of business.

 

Isn't there a lot of industries like that?

 

Isn't your industry of the newspaper business in dire straits? Maybe we should start a gambling program to increase the profitability of small-town newspapers? Think that will get political attention?

 

How about other industries that are struggling? Maybe helping them too?

 

Or is this simply Louisville being up in arms because they are concerned about their Derby and it really doesn't affect most of the rest of the state? Another KY incident of Louisville thinking it is all about them and tired of the rest of the local, yokels throughout the state holding them back and daring to disagree with them. Just maybe?

Do you blissfully live your life as though the little buildings up on that hill off exit 25 just aren't there? We do need it in order to stay competitive. Otherwise, our state just becomes more and more backward — which, for some, is probably peachy-keen.

 

 

 

Forgive the pun, but that horse done left the barn a long time ago. Churches, sports teams, etc., have been using gambling as a chief fundraiser for decades.

 

 

 

Hate to tell you, but the folks you mention are already gambling in some form or another. Why is it preferable to you and other opponents for them to spend this money — money that is going toward gambling in one form or another, anyway — in another state? Why should Indiana benefit from the weak will of Kentucky residents?

 

Many churches are not using gambling as a chief fundraiser. In fact, I don't know of a single Protestant church that does. Now admittingly, I don't know all of them, just saying I have never heard of one that uses gambling as a chief fundraiser.

 

And your last point helps make my point on one reason why we are in hard economic times. Poor financial decisions and the state of Kentucky is saying, "hey it is a good idea for us to make it easy for our citizens to make even WORSE choices financially. Yeah we will probably have to come back behind and clean up all the financial mess that will be created but that it is okay, it will make them feel good about ourselves."

 

Indiana also went to a class system in basketball, if they are so smart that we should follow them, guess we should do that too.

Isn't there a lot of industries like that?

 

Isn't your industry of the newspaper business in dire straits? Maybe we should start a gambling program to increase the profitability of small-town newspapers? Think that will get political attention?

 

How about other industries that are struggling? Maybe helping them too?

 

Or is this simply Louisville being up in arms because they are concerned about their Derby and it really doesn't affect most of the rest of the state? Another KY incident of Louisville thinking it is all about them and tired of the rest of the local, yokels throughout the state holding them back and daring to disagree with them. Just maybe?

Ellis Park, Keeneland, Turfway Park, The Red Mile (though I'm not for sure if they would have slots).

 

I would venture to bet that if a Louisville senator forced a bill through allowing universal alcohol sales throughout the state then the yokels would be quite upset.

If the breeders/owners aren't making a decent profit, they'll go elsewhere where they can. Gone with them (or, more likely, unemployed) are the tens of thousands of people paid by them — groomers, trainers, hot walkers, track employees, farm employees, etc. — who then plow their meager paychecks back into the economy. The breeders/owners are a convenient straw man for these type arguments, but the fact is inaction in this area will send them out of state, and put most/all of their employees out of work.

 

And besides, while folks like Brereton Jones and the Ramseys are the high-profile stereotypical wealthy horsey folks, most operations are far smaller in scale. Further inaction on the issue only serves to send more and more small business owners (because that's what most horse owners are) either out of state or out of business.

 

As long as it keeps a slot machine out of KY then I guess they don't care.

 

 

I am all for him our struggling industries out but I would prefer an approach that truly puts them on sound foundation rather than a short-term bandaid approach.

I am all for him our struggling industries out but I would prefer an approach that truly puts them on sound foundation rather than a short-term bandaid approach.

What is your approach to put the Ky Horse Racing industry on a sound foundation?

Ellis Park, Keeneland, Turfway Park, The Red Mile (though I'm not for sure if they would have slots).

 

I would venture to bet that if a Louisville senator forced a bill through allowing universal alcohol sales throughout the state then the yokels would be quite upset.

 

So, do you have the same conviction for the other industries that are struggling in this state?

 

How about the newspapers that can't get advertising space sold to publish a paper? How about we give each local newspaper a row of 10 slots in these casinos to help them?