I believe the Red Sox retain the rights to him for three years. After his Junior year in college Luke would go back in the draft. If he decides to go to school and something goes wrong or he drops out during the next three years Boston would still be able to sign him. I believe this is how it works someone correct me if this is not right.

 

I didn't think this was right. I read somewhere that a player must be signed by August or he can't sign. Here is what Wikipedia says:

 

Negotiating Rights

 

Prior to 2007, a team retained the rights to sign a selected player until one week prior to the next draft, or until the player enters, or returns to, a four-year college on a full-time basis. Starting in 2007, the deadline for signing a drafted player is August 15. A selected player who enters a junior college cannot be signed until the conclusion of the school's baseball season. A player who is drafted and does not sign with the club that selected him may be drafted again at a future year's draft, so long as the player is eligible for that year's draft. A club may not select a player again in a subsequent year, unless the player has consented to the re-selection.

 

A player who is eligible to be selected and is passed over by every club becomes a free agent and may sign with any club, up until one week before the next draft, or until the player enters, or returns to, a four-year college full-time or enters, or returns to, a junior college. In the one-week period before any draft, which is called the "closed period", the general rule is that no club may sign a new player.

I didn't think this was right. I read somewhere that a player must be signed by August or he can't sign. Here is what Wikipedia says:

 

Negotiating Rights

 

Prior to 2007, a team retained the rights to sign a selected player until one week prior to the next draft, or until the player enters, or returns to, a four-year college on a full-time basis. Starting in 2007, the deadline for signing a drafted player is August 15. A selected player who enters a junior college cannot be signed until the conclusion of the school's baseball season. A player who is drafted and does not sign with the club that selected him may be drafted again at a future year's draft, so long as the player is eligible for that year's draft. A club may not select a player again in a subsequent year, unless the player has consented to the re-selection.

 

A player who is eligible to be selected and is passed over by every club becomes a free agent and may sign with any club, up until one week before the next draft, or until the player enters, or returns to, a four-year college full-time or enters, or returns to, a junior college. In the one-week period before any draft, which is called the "closed period", the general rule is that no club may sign a new player.

 

Thanks VOR

$1M or stay at UK for four years.

$1M or stay at UK for four years.

 

I believe his number is slightly lower than that.

If his number is slighty lower than that then I don't understand why he wasn't taken in the first ten rounds? Isn't that a normal signing bonus for rounds one through ten?

If his number is slighty lower than that then I don't understand why he wasn't taken in the first ten rounds? Isn't that a normal signing bonus for rounds one through ten?

 

Maybe the teams think he isn't worth slightly lower than that. Slightly lower may not be accurate. 75% is what I heard.

Maybe the teams think he isn't worth slightly lower than that. Slightly lower may not be accurate. 75% is what I heard.

 

What do you mean by 75%?

If his number is slighty lower than that then I don't understand why he wasn't taken in the first ten rounds? Isn't that a normal signing bonus for rounds one through ten?

 

 

To get a $1,000,000+ signing bonus, you pretty much need to be drafted in the first round. This is how it typically looks for baseball signing bonuses after round 1: Round 2 $500-750K, Round 3 $300-500K, Round 4 $200-300K, Round 5 $150-200K, Round 6 $100-150K, Round 7-10 maybe a $100K but more than half sign for less than $100K. There are exceptions of course in both directions. There is an occasional player outside the first two rounds that will get that $1,000,000 bonus you mentioned. There are also some players drafted in each of the rounds that sign for a lower bonus than what I layed out above. There are players drafted in rounds 7-10 that will sign for as little as $5,000, likely because they didn't work in school and can't even get into a college. It depends on the circumstances for that player. Bottom line - IMO if you are a high school player and don't get drafted in the top 5 or 6 rounds and you have a D1 scholarship, go to school for a couple of years at least and try to get into that top 10 rounds.

To get a $1,000,000+ signing bonus, you pretty much need to be drafted in the first round. This is how it typically looks for baseball signing bonuses after round 1: Round 2 $500-750K, Round 3 $300-500K, Round 4 $200-300K, Round 5 $150-200K, Round 6 $100-150K, Round 7-10 maybe a $100K but more than half sign for less than $100K. There are exceptions of course in both directions. There is an occasional player outside the first two rounds that will get that $1,000,000 bonus you mentioned. There are also some players drafted in each of the rounds that sign for a lower bonus than what I layed out above. There are players drafted in rounds 7-10 that will sign for as little as $5,000, likely because they didn't work in school and can't even get into a college. It depends on the circumstances for that player. Bottom line - IMO if you are a high school player and don't get drafted in the top 5 or 6 rounds and you have a D1 scholarship, go to school for a couple of years at least and try to get into that top 10 rounds.

 

I completely agree. I think to ask for that much money to sign coming straight out of high school is a bit far fetched. If your a well deserving top five round pick then you will get picked and you will get your money.

Realize that these teams can't afford to waste picks in the higher rounds. You'll see a chance taken in the first 1 or 2 rounds for a high school player but teams want to be certain that if they draft a kid there is a high chance of signing him.

 

In Luke's case its my opinion that the combo of him not being viewed as a top 2 to 3 round pick plus his UK scholarship made some teams wary. They went ahead and drafted kids that a)were deemed to 1 to 2 round picks and b)kids that they had high confidence they could sign thus not wasting a high- to mid-round pick.

 

So the Sox take Luke late. As someone pointed out earlier they can now spend the next two months deciding just how good he is and where they think he fits into their organization. IMO if they truly thought Luke was a late-round talent they would have already made a "take it or leave it" offer. They don't spend much time jacking around with negotiations on bottom-round talent. The fact that they are going the "draft and watch" route tells me that they like him a lot - just not top round "a lot."

 

Odds are he goes to UK. However, its not a forgone conclusion nor should it be.

 

Its easy to say what he should do. We're not him. We don't know what makes him tick and what his priorities are.

Realize that these teams can't afford to waste picks in the higher rounds. You'll see a chance taken in the first 1 or 2 rounds for a high school player but teams want to be certain that if they draft a kid there is a high chance of signing him.

 

In Luke's case its my opinion that the combo of him not being viewed as a top 2 to 3 round pick plus his UK scholarship made some teams wary. They went ahead and drafted kids that a)were deemed to 1 to 2 round picks and b)kids that they had high confidence they could sign thus not wasting a high- to mid-round pick.

 

So the Sox take Luke late. As someone pointed out earlier they can now spend the next two months deciding just how good he is and where they think he fits into their organization. IMO if they truly thought Luke was a late-round talent they would have already made a "take it or leave it" offer. They don't spend much time jacking around with negotiations on bottom-round talent. The fact that they are going the "draft and watch" route tells me that they like him a lot - just not top round "a lot."

 

Odds are he goes to UK. However, its not a forgone conclusion nor should it be.

 

Its easy to say what he should do. We're not him. We don't know what makes him tick and what his priorities are.

 

 

I do not understand why a scholrship to a D1 school would scare any team off. Don't most of these kids who are being drafted out of high school have a D1 scholarships? If not I don't see why they would be drafting them anyway. Also, it seemed like to me if a team took Luke in the top 5 rounds he was ready to sign and head to the minors. So if he was that good already why wouldn't they have picked him. I know Luke is very good I just think he isn't a top 5 to 10 round pick yet. That's why he wasn't selected there.

 

As for watching him, why wouldn't the Red Sox do that with all of their draft picks. If they select them in the draft, I bet their hoping they can sign as many as possible. I doubt they just draft players and say either you can sign or leave it. They obviously see something in all of their draft picks so I don't get why they would just run them off.

 

Luke is best off going to UK and getting his education. It's a win win. If the baseball doesn't pan out then he has a good education to fall back on. Plus he has a great opportunity to go to UK and have a great career and improve his draft stock. That way when he is drafted he will be much higher and be much more likely to play right away in the minors.

I do not understand why a scholrship to a D1 school would scare any team off. Don't most of these kids who are being drafted out of high school have a D1 scholarships? If not I don't see why they would be drafting them anyway. Also, it seemed like to me if a team took Luke in the top 5 rounds he was ready to sign and head to the minors. So if he was that good already why wouldn't they have picked him. I know Luke is very good I just think he isn't a top 5 to 10 round pick yet. That's why he wasn't selected there.

 

As for watching him, why wouldn't the Red Sox do that with all of their draft picks. If they select them in the draft, I bet their hoping they can sign as many as possible. I doubt they just draft players and say either you can sign or leave it. They obviously see something in all of their draft picks so I don't get why they would just run them off.

 

Luke is best off going to UK and getting his education. It's a win win. If the baseball doesn't pan out then he has a good education to fall back on. Plus he has a great opportunity to go to UK and have a great career and improve his draft stock. That way when he is drafted he will be much higher and be much more likely to play right away in the minors.

 

IMO they didn't think Luke was a top 10 round pick. However, they think he is a top 20 round pick no question. So for 11 through 20 they had two options. Take someone who they had a high chance of signing or take a chance on a kid like Luke who was worthy talent-wise but they weren't sure if they could come to terms. The "take it or leave it" is what happens to the very low round kids. They don't get to negotiate. The fact that they haven't made such an offer to Luke tells me they think of him as a much higher talent.

 

The "education" thing is overblown. If Luke or any player wants to get right to pro ball I say have at it. The only reason for college would be to improve their position 3 years down the road. If baseball doesnt' work out, college will always be there. It all comes down to priorities. I would never condemn a player for skipping college to get into the minors.

IMO they didn't think Luke was a top 10 round pick. However, they think he is a top 20 round pick no question. So for 11 through 20 they had two options. Take someone who they had a high chance of signing or take a chance on a kid like Luke who was worthy talent-wise but they weren't sure if they could come to terms. The "take it or leave it" is what happens to the very low round kids. They don't get to negotiate. The fact that they haven't made such an offer to Luke tells me they think of him as a much higher talent.

 

The "education" thing is overblown. If Luke or any player wants to get right to pro ball I say have at it. The only reason for college would be to improve their position 3 years down the road. If baseball doesnt' work out, college will always be there. It all comes down to priorities. I would never condemn a player for skipping college to get into the minors.

 

That's not what I'm saying. It doesn't hurt to get an education while playing 3 years of college baseball to improve your draft position. I don't think it's wise to come out of high school when your drafted in the 43 round, just my opinion. If he was truly a top 20 round pick I don't see how he could possibly fall all the way to the 43 round. The Red Sox took 14 players out of High School that were drafted from rounds 11 to 43. So would it be accurate to say that they are doing the same exact thing with Luke they're with all of them if they don't sign right away?

That's not what I'm saying. It doesn't hurt to get an education while playing 3 years of college baseball to improve your draft position. I don't think it's wise to come out of high school when your drafted in the 43 round, just my opinion. If he was truly a top 20 round pick I don't see how he could possibly fall all the way to the 43 round. The Red Sox took 14 players out of High School that were drafted from rounds 11 to 43. So would it be accurate to say that they are doing the same exact thing with Luke they're with all of them if they don't sign right away?

 

 

 

 

The reason is because he is asking for a high amount of money. The Sox like his talent, but didn't want to waste a high round pick with him because of his signability issues. They did not want to waste a top ten pick on a kid who wants a certain amount of money that they cant commit to. Thus, they signed him in the 43rd round and are trying to come up with a number that is fitting for both Luke and the ball club. If the number is not there for Luke, it's not as big of a deal for the Sox because they are losing a 43rd round pick instead of a top ten. Does anyone realize where I'm coming from?:idunno:

The reason is because he is asking for a high amount of money. The Sox like his talent, but didn't want to waste a high round pick with him because of his signability issues. They did not want to waste a top ten pick on a kid who wants a certain amount of money that they cant commit to. Thus, they signed him in the 43rd round and are trying to come up with a number that is fitting for both Luke and the ball club. If the number is not there for Luke, it's not as big of a deal for the Sox because they are losing a 43rd round pick instead of a top ten. Does anyone realize where I'm coming from?:idunno:

 

I understand what you are saying but i don't agree that he is a top ten round pick. If he was that good to go in the top ten rounds I don't see why they would have a hard time drafting him. Even if he was asking for alot of money unless it was a ridiculous amount. And that goes for all the teams. The Red Sox were the only team that were going to take him? I just have a hard time believeing that a top ten round pick falls all the way to 43 round. Now if he was suppose to go in the top ten rounds then went in the top 20 rounds it might be a little different. I guess Luke is the only player in high school out there asking for alot of money? The Red Sox took 14 High School kids in rounds 10 to 43. I guess all 14 of those guys weren't asking for too much money?

 

Also, you are saying they are losing a 43 round pick however you are clearly stating that he really isn't a 43 round pick. You are saying he is really a top ten round pick but was just drafted in the 43 round because he was asking for alot of money. :confused: