I'm sure you can find food that isn't Mexican!

 

 

I doubt there is enough Indian and high quality Italian for my taste. I think I'll stay here.

I doubt there is enough Indian and high quality Italian for my taste. I think I'll stay here.

Well if we can add Rand Paul as a Senator we will be well on our way to getting to their level.

I am against the death penalty. However, this type of horrible tragedy makes it difficult to not want to make an exception to that stance. I am still not in favor of the death penalty, but I can't say I would protest if this guy got it. This is just horrible. What a beautiful baby.

 

My grandson is the same age as this baby. If someone did that to him, I am not sure that I wouldn't want to make an exception and fry them.

Call me unsympathetic, or say it is because I don't have a child, but I still don't see how killing this guy, even though we have other methods of protecting society from him- such as 24/7 isolation in prison- will be an act of anything but revenge. And I don't see how, at least for the Christians here, how doing anything out of pure revenge can be a moral act. I believe Jesus said that we should forgive, not act out of our personal anger.

Call me unsympathetic, or say it is because I don't have a child, but I still don't see how killing this guy, even though we have other methods of protecting society from him- such as 24/7 isolation in prison- will be an act of anything but revenge. And I don't see how, at least for the Christians here, how doing anything out of pure revenge can be a moral act. I believe Jesus said that we should forgive, not act out of our personal anger.

 

The Book of Romans tells us to respect the law of Caesar, and to follow it. That is the only way to reconcile our Christian desire to release our grip on retribution, and also to respect Caesar's law of punishment for wrongdoing.

 

The law is designed to punish for wrongdoing. That is not revenge, it is punishment. In some cases, punishment is death. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I respect it, and this is as egregious as it gets.

The Book of Romans tells us to respect the law of Caesar, and to follow it. That is the only way to reconcile our Christian desire to release our grip on retribution, and also to respect Caesar's law of punishment for wrongdoing.

 

The law is designed to punish for wrongdoing. That is not revenge, it is punishment. In some cases, punishment is death. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I respect it, and this is as egregious as it gets.

I won't argue with you that the crime is egregious, especially because I want to use that word.

 

Respect for the law does not mean that, if it's legal, it's ethically OK. Abortion is lawful but we don't support it.

 

I'm not an opponent of punishment for crimes- it's a ethical and necessary part of society. But I don't believe that, as humans with limited knowledge, we have the right to take the life of another human, unless it is the last resort in an attempt to save the lives of others. This is consistent with my thoughts on the death penalty, war, and abortion.

Call me unsympathetic, or say it is because I don't have a child, but I still don't see how killing this guy, even though we have other methods of protecting society from him- such as 24/7 isolation in prison- will be an act of anything but revenge. And I don't see how, at least for the Christians here, how doing anything out of pure revenge can be a moral act. I believe Jesus said that we should forgive, not act out of our personal anger.

Call it revenge or whatever you want. I just don't see the value this guy adds to a society. In my mind he has given up all his rights, including the right to live.

 

This part is definitely revengeful, make him die the exact same way. IF there is some form of after life, maybe this will give him something to think about while he spends eternity there.

I won't argue with you that the crime is egregious, especially because I want to use that word.

 

Respect for the law does not mean that, if it's legal, it's ethically OK. Abortion is lawful but we don't support it.

 

I'm not an opponent of punishment for crimes- it's a ethical and necessary part of society. But I don't believe that, as humans with limited knowledge, we have the right to take the life of another human, unless it is the last resort in an attempt to save the lives of others. This is consistent with my thoughts on the death penalty, war, and abortion.

 

Fair enough as to the bolded. However, as to the abortion vs. death penalty question, I believe the prior to be unethical, or perhaps immoral to be a better term, and the latter is not, at least to me. I oppose it because I believe we, as a country, need better justice before we should advocate it, but I don't equate the "state taking life" as automatically immoral. I will concede it is an issue that is very unsettling to me and I just can't seem to get it straightened out in my head.

I won't argue with you that the crime is egregious, especially because I want to use that word.

 

Respect for the law does not mean that, if it's legal, it's ethically OK. Abortion is lawful but we don't support it.

 

I'm not an opponent of punishment for crimes- it's a ethical and necessary part of society. But I don't believe that, as humans with limited knowledge, we have the right to take the life of another human, unless it is the last resort in an attempt to save the lives of others. This is consistent with my thoughts on the death penalty, war, and abortion.

 

This is my stance as well. I believe that we are in the minority.

This is my stance as well. I believe that we are in the minority.

 

 

I actually don't believe in the death penalty at all. To me, death as a punishment is no punishment to the individual being killed, but is a solace or a revenge to the victim and/or their family. As humans, the greatest punishment, IMO, is the loss of freedoms, ESPECIALLY to Americans for whom more freedoms exist than pretty much anywhere on Earth.

I actually don't believe in the death penalty at all. To me, death as a punishment is no punishment to the individual being killed, but is a solace or a revenge to the victim and/or their family. As humans, the greatest punishment, IMO, is the loss of freedoms, ESPECIALLY to Americans for whom more freedoms exist than pretty much anywhere on Earth.

 

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:idunno:

 

 

Not sure what you mean....

Struck me funny that death would not be considered a punishment to the person dying.

 

I get the anti-death penalty arguments of morality and such - I just don't agree with them. But to say that it's not a punishment to the person being put to death doesn't make any sense to me.

I don't know if I agree that it's no punishment. I'd guess the mental anguish of death row would be pretty bad.

Struck me funny that death would not be considered a punishment to the person dying.

 

I get the anti-death penalty arguments of morality and such - I just don't agree with them. But to say that it's not a punishment to the person being put to death doesn't make any sense to me.

 

 

If people have such little regard for life, then even their own life is of no value to them, IMO. I don't think that the prospect of death is a punishment.