April 9, 200917 yr http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/us/politics/09immig.html?_r=1&hp Thoughts on his plan to put a process in place to allow the estimated 12M illegals currently in this country to become legal?
April 9, 200917 yr Considering there is no feasable way to round up and deport 12 million people who are already living and in most cases working here I don't see a problem with it.
April 9, 200917 yr Author Considering there is no feasable way to round up and deport 12 million people who are already living and in most cases working here I don't see a problem with it. Thoughts on the argument that giving them citizenship will hurt those arleady unemployed?
April 9, 200917 yr I have read many places over the past few years that around 50% of illegal immigrants pay federal income tax, and file federal income tax returns.
April 9, 200917 yr Author I have read many places over the past few years that around 50% of illegal immigrants pay federal income tax, and file federal income tax returns. Maybe I need to be educated. Don't you have to have a SS# in order to file income taxes? Can an illegal get a SS#?
April 9, 200917 yr Maybe I need to be educated. Don't you have to have a SS# in order to file income taxes? Can an illegal get a SS#? Just going on memory until I can find, or have the time to find the articles. You do not need an SS#, but an illegal immigrant may get a temporary ID# that would be used for the tax return.
April 9, 200917 yr While the article did include the word "minefield" it doesn't advocate the type of minefield I am looking for and as such I cannot support this plan.
April 9, 200917 yr Author Here's where I'm struggling with the "we can't now because of our economic situation" mantra. Do we agree that making the citizens isn't going to automatically put them in workforce anymore than they are now? Isn't the issue today with illegals that they are low-cost workers and take jobs away from Americans due to employers paying below minimum wage? If so, wouldn't making them citizens reduce the number of workers working below minimum wage and actually put Americans on par with them when it comes to ability to earn those types of jobs?
April 9, 200917 yr This is rewarding someone for breaking our laws. This is as black and white as any situation could ever be. It is wrong! It is a slap in the face of every immigrant that has ever bided their time and come here the legal way. Saying there are so many illegals here, you could never deport them all is like saying there are so many felons that own guns, we should just let them all own guns. This is just another way of buying votes. The latino community will applaud this and it will motivate them even more to support the liberal agenda of Obama and the democrats. You can't change the laws to benefit you, but this is exactly what they are doing.
April 9, 200917 yr This is rewarding someone for breaking our laws. This is as black and white as any situation could ever be. It is wrong! It is a slap in the face of every immigrant that has ever bided their time and come here the legal way. Saying there are so many illegals here, you could never deport them all is like saying there are so many felons that own guns, we should just let them all own guns. This is just another way of buying votes. The latino community will applaud this and it will motivate them even more to support the liberal agenda of Obama and the democrats. You can't change the laws to benefit you, but this is exactly what they are doing. What is your proposal to round up and deport 12 million people?
April 9, 200917 yr What is your proposal to round up and deport 12 million people? Well, you would have to 1st get started in stopping what is happening. Seen the unemployment rate lately?
April 9, 200917 yr For what it's worth here are my two cents: You aren't going to get many, if any, illegals to come forward for punishment so you are going to have to give them some enticement to come forward. A path to citizenship would likely be the best route, however it would have to come with some sanctions and restrictions(jail time, fines and so on). Any criminals, short of minor traffic violations, would be immediately and unquestionably deported(of course you don't tell them that part ahead of time). While on the topic of citizenship I think an examination of the means to become a citizen in the U.S. needs to be done. What can we do to streamline it and improve it? These are things that need to be at the top of our list in regards to making it less complicated to come here legally. Now as to the borders: Minefields along the border in addition to signs in English and Spanish clearly stating that an illegal violation of U.S. territory is punishable by lethal force, also direct them to a legal immigration office. Increase border security and up their armament, making sure that they are authorized use deadly force. Although with the land mines they may need shovels more so than guns. I know many hear the word "land mine" and they instantly think poor child in Africa blown to pieces. Here is my reasoning for using them: 1) You need an effective deterrent and I think that if Miguel sees Paulo blown to little pieces by something he can't see then it is likely to force him to rethink this course of action. 2) Mines are cost effective, don't need to be paid for more than once and much more sure at stopping someone than a fence. Also increase the use of motion sensors and/or other physical obstructions to deter an illegal crossing.
April 9, 200917 yr http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/us/politics/09immig.html?_r=1&hp Thoughts on his plan to put a process in place to allow the estimated 12M illegals currently in this country to become legal? I'm cool with it. My thoughts have changed on it over the years, but honestly as long as a very good screening process against terrorist is implemented, I'm cool with allowing open immigration.
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