Sounds like the girls are the better athletes.:sssh::sssh::sssh::sssh::D:D:D:lol::lol::lol:

 

 

Sometimes that's the case.

The last few years there have been several teams who have gone to play in the St. Pat league. These are the teams he has had the most success with. If they hadn't, they would have gotten very little experience during their middle school play. The kids who don't start don't play, during games OR practice. Can't get better sitting on the bench or standing on the baseline. Gotta work with them all to have a good TEAM. Deep benches win ball games.

Bracken's middle school practice usually consist of the 7th grade starters scrimmaging the 8th grade starters while the non-starters look from the sideline. The coaches will work with a couple of players from each team that they want scoring the points. This is not just my opinion, I have heard it from several parents (including some of the starters' parents) and several of the players.:confused:

Middle School basketball plays around a one month schedule of games and practices one month before that, I believe,but not for sure. Season is usually over a couple of weeks before Christmas. When 3rd and 4th graders play more games than the Middle School, well that's a problem. But was always under the impression that the reason for the 8th grade not continuing to play tournaments,leagues,etc. on into January, February and March was that workouts, practice,etc. for the High School Lady Bears Softball team starts in the winter and seems to go year round. Does anyone know for sure?

 

You said it all, Sounds like your a BC insider ????

Bracken's middle school practice usually consist of the 7th grade starters scrimmaging the 8th grade starters while the non-starters look from the sideline. The coaches will work with a couple of players from each team that they want scoring the points. This is not just my opinion, I have heard it from several parents (including some of the starters' parents) and several of the players.:confused:

 

Boy oh boy that is not what I have heard from A LOT of former Bracken County players. You should do a little pole on this stuff you are saying and you might not like what you get.

How many winning records does the high school teams have lately? How many winning records have the middle school program posted in the last several years? Does the high school want to win or make EVERYONE (every parent and player) happy??? :ohbrother:

They seem to win at middle school and then it ends! So, help me understand how the blame can be on the middle school program that is winning???

All of this really does not mean much in the big picture though. The big picture is the boys that work so hard and have to cope with a new coach every time they turn around. Can you imagine being them? Isnt stability needed at Bracken County more than anything??

I will be honest though, I am not sure why any man would even want that job. Stuff like what is written above shows how crazy it is around Bracken County. :confused:

Boy oh boy that is not what I have heard from A LOT of former Bracken County players. You should do a little pole on this stuff you are saying and you might not like what you get.

How many winning records does the high school teams have lately? How many winning records have the middle school program posted in the last several years? Does the high school want to win or make EVERYONE (every parent and player) happy??? :ohbrother:

They seem to win at middle school and then it ends! So, help me understand how the blame can be on the middle school program that is winning???

All of this really does not mean much in the big picture though. The big picture is the boys that work so hard and have to cope with a new coach every time they turn around. Can you imagine being them? Isnt stability needed at Bracken County more than anything??

I will be honest though, I am not sure why any man would even want that job. Stuff like what is written above shows how crazy it is around Bracken County. :confused:

It's called passionate(not crazy) fans that want to win, that is long overdue for a really good group of boys. You could say the exact same things about UK fans, question is who will be BC's Calipari.:idunno:

Bracken's middle school practice usually consist of the 7th grade starters scrimmaging the 8th grade starters while the non-starters look from the sideline. The coaches will work with a couple of players from each team that they want scoring the points. This is not just my opinion, I have heard it from several parents (including some of the starters' parents) and several of the players.:confused:

 

You are probably talking to the players(and parents of) that did not play very much because they would not listen to their coaches and would not do the fundamentals that were being taught. Players and parents always blame the coach when they think they are not getting enough playing time. There is nothing to be confused about, it's just sour grapes!!!The players I have talked to would welcome Coach Persinger moving up to the High School level.

Alot of posters on here complaining about the middle school program, to me, the head coach needs to be over it all and ran the way he wants so once they reach him at high school level no adjustments need to be made. Out of the last three coaches, none showed any intrest in the lower grades, to me thats the first sign that they don't plan on being here very long. Lastly, lets not forget who hired a coach with zero experiance at any level. He was doomed from the start.

Boy oh boy that is not what I have heard from A LOT of former Bracken County players. You should do a little pole on this stuff you are saying and you might not like what you get.

How many winning records does the high school teams have lately? How many winning records have the middle school program posted in the last several years? Does the high school want to win or make EVERYONE (every parent and player) happy??? :ohbrother:

They seem to win at middle school and then it ends! So, help me understand how the blame can be on the middle school program that is winning???

All of this really does not mean much in the big picture though. The big picture is the boys that work so hard and have to cope with a new coach every time they turn around. Can you imagine being them? Isnt stability needed at Bracken County more than anything??

I will be honest though, I am not sure why any man would even want that job. Stuff like what is written above shows how crazy it is around Bracken County. :confused:

Take a peek at who is in Bracken's middle school conference and you'll see why he is successful.

You are probably talking to the players(and parents of) that did not play very much because they would not listen to their coaches and would not do the fundamentals that were being taught. Players and parents always blame the coach when they think they are not getting enough playing time. There is nothing to be confused about, it's just sour grapes!!!The players I have talked to would welcome Coach Persinger moving up to the High School level.

 

You need to go ask these boys how many fundamental drills they did in practice under Persinger. I think you'll be shocked with their answer.

Take a peek at who is in Bracken's middle school conference and you'll see why he is successful.

I believe we have a winner!!!!!:thumb:

Pretty sure the 8th grade swept Mason last year for the first time in school history.

As a former resident/student in my younger years of Bracken Co, the later part of this thread has certainly been interesting. So, allow me to chime in.

 

For starters, Bracken played an early middle school season even as far back as the 70s when I lived there and my folks were working in the school system...so its hard to blame their problems on just that.

 

Its all about the feeder programs when you are talking about a Class A school like BC. It has to be organized, instructional, yet competitive. You have to have a community involved, and not involved as griping parents or critical anoymous internet message board posters. They have to be involved by donating time, supporting the kids' schedules, and having talented coaches in the system. And, by that, I am not talking about the high school head coaches. I am talking about parents, people in the community who have an athletic background. Is this happening presently in Bracken County? There used to be. Based on BGP, though, I believe the griping parents/anonymous message board poster thing is very prevelant in Bracken.

 

Junior high w/l records are useless when trying to project at the varsity level....and that goes for coaches, too. I've saw a middle school team in another district go undefeated, and then win only 10 games when that same group were seniors in HS. How many 8th grade starters on that undefeated team ended up starting for their same respective varsity team four years later? Try ONE. How many of those starters were even on that varsity team? That same ONE. Also, I was a part of a 8th grade middle school team that went 3-15 (I was a seventh grader), and when those 8th graders played varsity ball as seniors, they were like 17-10 and went to their regional tournament. Why was one somewhat successful, and the other wasnt? Because the first example played kids who were never going to be eligible in HS, they had been held back/failed a grade in elementary school, so they were more mature than their opponents in middle school. By the time they were in HS, they were no longer bigger or more mature physically. Most of the kids got discouraged and quit the sport. As for the school that went from 3-15 to a regional tourney berth, those kids played year round. The community was more close knit when it came to their athletic programs, they stayed the course, they played kids who they knew were going to be around as seniors. Plus, a couple of kids in my class were talented enough to help out, and you had a nice little team.

 

Someone brought up an intersting point earlier about kids not getting experience during the middle school years. BCHS had pretty competitive teams most years in the 70s, and in the 80s. In fact, if they had the All A Classic in those days, Bracken would have battled the Maysvilles/Parises/etc for the All A crown most seasons. Sure, they had some rough years, but schools with 3-400 kids are going to experience that. Now, they struggle. I dont know what the current setup is (other than you all talking about the BCMS team playing in this Ohio River Conference), but back in those days, the middle school feeder programs were at the respective elementary schools in Brooksville (Taylor), Western Hills, and Germantown. They mostly coached by native Bracken Countians, former BCHS players who came back to teach. The current superintendent was one. By the time they reached their freshman year, they had 15-20 kids who had extensive playing time at the middle school level, and at a decently high level (they played teams from Maysville/Mason/Pendleton/etc). How many kids reach their freshman year at BCHS playing a lot the previous two years in middle school? I take it there arent many since there is only one school. Is there an AAU program in Bracken Co? Do they play year around? I think those are the questions that need to be addressed rather than the tired old "the admin sucks, the AD doesnt know what she is doing, blah blah blah". That may be why the coaches dont stick around, they know that they are not going to have many varsity ready players coming up through the system.

As a former resident/student in my younger years of Bracken Co, the later part of this thread has certainly been interesting. So, allow me to chime in.

 

For starters, Bracken played an early middle school season even as far back as the 70s when I lived there and my folks were working in the school system...so its hard to blame their problems on just that.

 

Its all about the feeder programs when you are talking about a Class A school like BC. It has to be organized, instructional, yet competitive. You have to have a community involved, and not involved as griping parents or critical anoymous internet message board posters. They have to be involved by donating time, supporting the kids' schedules, and having talented coaches in the system. And, by that, I am not talking about the high school head coaches. I am talking about parents, people in the community who have an athletic background. Is this happening presently in Bracken County? There used to be. Based on BGP, though, I believe the griping parents/anonymous message board poster thing is very prevelant in Bracken.

 

Junior high w/l records are useless when trying to project at the varsity level....and that goes for coaches, too. I've saw a middle school team in another district go undefeated, and then win only 10 games when that same group were seniors in HS. How many 8th grade starters on that undefeated team ended up starting for their same respective varsity team four years later? Try ONE. How many of those starters were even on that varsity team? That same ONE. Also, I was a part of a 8th grade middle school team that went 3-15 (I was a seventh grader), and when those 8th graders played varsity ball as seniors, they were like 17-10 and went to their regional tournament. Why was one somewhat successful, and the other wasnt? Because the first example played kids who were never going to be eligible in HS, they had been held back/failed a grade in elementary school, so they were more mature than their opponents in middle school. By the time they were in HS, they were no longer bigger or more mature physically. Most of the kids got discouraged and quit the sport. As for the school that went from 3-15 to a regional tourney berth, those kids played year round. The community was more close knit when it came to their athletic programs, they stayed the course, they played kids who they knew were going to be around as seniors. Plus, a couple of kids in my class were talented enough to help out, and you had a nice little team.

 

Someone brought up an intersting point earlier about kids not getting experience during the middle school years. BCHS had pretty competitive teams most years in the 70s, and in the 80s. In fact, if they had the All A Classic in those days, Bracken would have battled the Maysvilles/Parises/etc for the All A crown most seasons. Sure, they had some rough years, but schools with 3-400 kids are going to experience that. Now, they struggle. I dont know what the current setup is (other than you all talking about the BCMS team playing in this Ohio River Conference), but back in those days, the middle school feeder programs were at the respective elementary schools in Brooksville (Taylor), Western Hills, and Germantown. They mostly coached by native Bracken Countians, former BCHS players who came back to teach. The current superintendent was one. By the time they reached their freshman year, they had 15-20 kids who had extensive playing time at the middle school level, and at a decently high level (they played teams from Maysville/Mason/Pendleton/etc). How many kids reach their freshman year at BCHS playing a lot the previous two years in middle school? I take it there arent many since there is only one school. Is there an AAU program in Bracken Co? Do they play year around? I think those are the questions that need to be addressed rather than the tired old "the admin sucks, the AD doesnt know what she is doing, blah blah blah". That may be why the coaches dont stick around, they know that they are not going to have many varsity ready players coming up through the system.

 

I will never read a post that long again! :confused::confused:

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As a former resident/student in my younger years of Bracken Co, the later part of this thread has certainly been interesting. So, allow me to chime in.

 

For starters, Bracken played an early middle school season even as far back as the 70s when I lived there and my folks were working in the school system...so its hard to blame their problems on just that.

 

Its all about the feeder programs when you are talking about a Class A school like BC. It has to be organized, instructional, yet competitive. You have to have a community involved, and not involved as griping parents or critical anoymous internet message board posters. They have to be involved by donating time, supporting the kids' schedules, and having talented coaches in the system. And, by that, I am not talking about the high school head coaches. I am talking about parents, people in the community who have an athletic background. Is this happening presently in Bracken County? There used to be. Based on BGP, though, I believe the griping parents/anonymous message board poster thing is very prevelant in Bracken.

 

Junior high w/l records are useless when trying to project at the varsity level....and that goes for coaches, too. I've saw a middle school team in another district go undefeated, and then win only 10 games when that same group were seniors in HS. How many 8th grade starters on that undefeated team ended up starting for their same respective varsity team four years later? Try ONE. How many of those starters were even on that varsity team? That same ONE. Also, I was a part of a 8th grade middle school team that went 3-15 (I was a seventh grader), and when those 8th graders played varsity ball as seniors, they were like 17-10 and went to their regional tournament. Why was one somewhat successful, and the other wasnt? Because the first example played kids who were never going to be eligible in HS, they had been held back/failed a grade in elementary school, so they were more mature than their opponents in middle school. By the time they were in HS, they were no longer bigger or more mature physically. Most of the kids got discouraged and quit the sport. As for the school that went from 3-15 to a regional tourney berth, those kids played year round. The community was more close knit when it came to their athletic programs, they stayed the course, they played kids who they knew were going to be around as seniors. Plus, a couple of kids in my class were talented enough to help out, and you had a nice little team.

 

Someone brought up an intersting point earlier about kids not getting experience during the middle school years. BCHS had pretty competitive teams most years in the 70s, and in the 80s. In fact, if they had the All A Classic in those days, Bracken would have battled the Maysvilles/Parises/etc for the All A crown most seasons. Sure, they had some rough years, but schools with 3-400 kids are going to experience that. Now, they struggle. I dont know what the current setup is (other than you all talking about the BCMS team playing in this Ohio River Conference), but back in those days, the middle school feeder programs were at the respective elementary schools in Brooksville (Taylor), Western Hills, and Germantown. They mostly coached by native Bracken Countians, former BCHS players who came back to teach. The current superintendent was one. By the time they reached their freshman year, they had 15-20 kids who had extensive playing time at the middle school level, and at a decently high level (they played teams from Maysville/Mason/Pendleton/etc). How many kids reach their freshman year at BCHS playing a lot the previous two years in middle school? I take it there arent many since there is only one school. Is there an AAU program in Bracken Co? Do they play year around? I think those are the questions that need to be addressed rather than the tired old "the admin sucks, the AD doesnt know what she is doing, blah blah blah". That may be why the coaches dont stick around, they know that they are not going to have many varsity ready players coming up through the system.

 

So let me get this straight, it's up to the parents to start the feeder programs and over see them, not the head coach or administration. And the AD should not be held accountable for anything that goes wrong. Crazy me.