Kragthorpe is in charge of the program. Brohm had survived several regimes and there was some cult of personlity surrounding him. Kragthorpe is battling that, just as he battled the rampant drug use and truancy of his players. The program has split many seams, but to blame Kragthorpe for that is quite simply missing the forest for the trees.

 

I cannot fathom how those of you whom I know are knowledgeable about football can actually get on here and support the sort of offensive play-calling we watched last season (whether you argue he was "overruled" or not), and think that Jeff Brohm did a good job.

This is the biggest mistake Jurich has ever made....he forced Kragthorpe's hand in keeping staff, and the program has paid since then...Jurich has since admitted said mistake, and hopefully the program digs out OK.

 

 

You are correct RP. Maybe I am upset at the wrong guy. Maybe it's Jurcih I really have issue with. Maybe if the coach would have been able to replace the staff then maybe he would been able to keep coaces and kids.

 

I can see that differences in coaching styles could clash.

CoachB, you may be right.

 

BUT, it he DOES turn it around, I will expect you to be dining on a healthy serving of [ATTACH]26447[/ATTACH]

 

 

Not a problem I eat just about anything.

Now you are questioning the character of Coach Kragthorpe, and that is un-acceptable. The Brohm family isn't happy about what has happened, but they understand and are in full support of the Louisville football program. Coach Kragthorpe realized, that the buck must now stop with him. Fail this year, and many of you get your wish, he's gone. Strive, and you all will hate to admit that he can do it. Either way, it's in the best interest of the University of Louisville football program.

 

Not questioning his character at all. What I am saying is he should let the OC have more than one series to get the offense moving before he jumps in and take control. It is a difference in philosphy as to how the offense is being ran.

 

Yes, he is the head coach but he is the one that named Brohm OC. Maybe stick behind your coaches and let them coach.

 

I know there was differences between the head coach and the OC. It is best that Brohm leaves. What is fustrating as a fan it shouldn't have some to this. The program is on a life support.

I think it shows what Krag is made of, he's feeling the pressure so he disposes of those around him to buy time (Fulmer/Tuberville ring a bell) and give the administration hope that changes are coming. I personally don't respect that, I think if you believed in someone enough to give them the job then you need to believe in them long enough to prove their self.

For all the people that defend Krag I have a question for you, at first Krag got a pass because of the player problems he supposedly inherited, now you give him a pass because the DC, OC and whoever else weren't getting it done at what point does Krag get the blame or will next years excuse be it was hot in August and cold in December?

 

You would have a decent argument if Kragthorpe got to choose his own assistants. Since he didn't, how and why should he be "loyal" to them?

 

Personally, I think you're seeing the results of the aftermath that Bobby Petrino left behind. It takes a few years before you truly see the problems that were left behind.

 

Kentucky & Rich Brooks went through something similar. Mumme left the program in shambles, although they had a fair amount of talent in Lexington. Morris was able to inherit that talent and ride the wave for a few years; however, once the effects of probation set in, Morris was back in Texas and Rich Brooks was at the helm. It took a few years, but Brooks was able to right the ship by doing things the right way.

 

The moral of the story is that when things go wrong, you don't feel the effects immediately. It takes a few seasons for those things to set in, whether it's problematic recruits or sanctions from the NCAA. Louisville's rebuilding process will take longer though, since Kragthorpe wasn't allowed to bring in his own assistants.

He has the right to put in people that he sees fit. At Bama no one stayed when Coach Saban arrived...he cleaned the house. Coach K should have done the same thing and he is getting beat up by some of you. He was too nice and it hurt him.

 

He wanted to call the plays in the first year and didn't.

 

Coach B, are you a real coach? I'd think if you are/were you would understand my point more than anyone.

 

He brought in his own OC the first year, did he not? The older gentleman and he had worked together for years. Brohm was not his OC. Brohm was anmed OC and associate head coach only after Saban at Bama offered him a job!

^^^Again he is the coach and if he wants to let Charlie Stubbs go its his call. Jeff didn't have a very good year and it reflects the poor season that Hunter and the team mainly offense had. But like the man said it falls back to him and he is trying to find the right fit.

Kragthorpe is in charge of the program. Brohm had survived several regimes and there was some cult of personlity surrounding him. Kragthorpe is battling that, just as he battled the rampant drug use and truancy of his players. The program has split many seams, but to blame Kragthorpe for that is quite simply missing the forest for the trees.

How come none of these problems popped up under Petrino?

I have heard from players who played for both say that Petrino was much harder on the players, particularly in practice.

Jurich is to blame as well. He was even quoted in an earlier piece by Eric Crawford as UL having a willingness to take at-risk type kids that couldn't get into other schools (paraphrasing here) to get the bus rolling.

How come none of these problems popped up under Petrino?

I have heard from players who played for both say that Petrino was much harder on the players, particularly in practice.

Jurich is to blame as well. He was even quoted in an earlier piece by Eric Crawford as UL having a willingness to take at-risk type kids that couldn't get into other schools (paraphrasing here) to get the bus rolling.

We all know that a lot is masked when a team is winning ballgames at a record setting pace.

 

There seems to be fire at Louisville right now, which means there was at least a little smoke under Benedict Bobby Petrino.

Kragthorpe has gotten rid of his coordinators both years, very unusual. When is he going to start accepting blame for ruining a program? For those blaming Jurich, get real. He has made one bad hire. WHOOPTY!!!

 

UofL is one of two universities that has been to a College World Series, a Final Four and a BCS bowl since 2005. I think that speaks for itself on the job TJ has done at UofL.

You would have a decent argument if Kragthorpe got to choose his own assistants. Since he didn't, how and why should he be "loyal" to them?

 

Personally, I think you're seeing the results of the aftermath that Bobby Petrino left behind. It takes a few years before you truly see the problems that were left behind.

 

Kentucky & Rich Brooks went through something similar. Mumme left the program in shambles, although they had a fair amount of talent in Lexington. Morris was able to inherit that talent and ride the wave for a few years; however, once the effects of probation set in, Morris was back in Texas and Rich Brooks was at the helm. It took a few years, but Brooks was able to right the ship by doing things the right way.

 

The moral of the story is that when things go wrong, you don't feel the effects immediately. It takes a few seasons for those things to set in, whether it's problematic recruits or sanctions from the NCAA. Louisville's rebuilding process will take longer though, since Kragthorpe wasn't allowed to bring in his own assistants.

 

It's a good point and I often forget that he didn't get to bring in his own guys...

I would like for some of you to also keep in mind when Louisville was in CUSA they had the liberty to take kids with lower academic credentials then they can now in the Big East.....

I would like for some of you to also keep in mind when Louisville was in CUSA they had the liberty to take kids with lower academic credentials then they can now in the Big East.....

Great point "RockPride!"

 

That is what I have debated (even on BGP) with many Louisville die-hard fans who thought that the Cardinals where going head-to-head and winning in recruiting wars with Florida, Florida State, Miami, and other SEC schools for the services of some players. I know for a fact that several of Louisville's signees could not qualify as per ACC standards and get in Miami or Florida State.

 

Louisville did win the battle, but by default.

 

The lower academic standards as well as the nationally televised games during the week really got the recruiting momentum going Louisville's way during the late John L. Smith and then Benedict Petrino era. Lots and lots of talent in a couple of those recruiting classes.