All Tell Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cch5432 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I don't really know the arguments for and against, but I'm really not opposed to Gitmo being closed, as long as there is some sort of plan. What is President Obama's plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Tell Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 He literally doesn't know yet, he just signed an executive order closing the place in one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatz Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 LINK Maybe he's going to finally put them on trial. :idunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75center Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Maybe he's going to finally put them on trial. :idunno: Isn't that what the military tribunals do? I read where one was suspended this week pending Obama's executive order. I really don't know how they differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockmom Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Isn't that what the military tribunals do? I read where one was suspended this week pending Obama's executive order. I really don't know how they differ. These guys have been there for 5 years. I really think that the trial or tribunal needs to begin. I believe during the election, Obama proposed putting them in a military prison here in the States. I believe that he has been working with the military to determine what that would entail, and what the options are. I'll try to find the information that I read that gave me that impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyRedRam Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Isn't that what the military tribunals do? I read where one was suspended this week pending Obama's executive order. I really don't know how they differ.There is a great deal of issue with the military tribunals, the legitimacy of them is one of the big ones. Obama put a freeze on all of the tribunals until he and his staff has a chance to review them. It is not expected that he will allow them to proceed, as this is a major issue that many of our allies (or better said the "people" of our allies) have against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladiesbballcoach Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Didn't he put all trials on hold too. Press secretary got pushed on this too. Questions were "how can you say that US is safer by doing this when you have no plan for where they are going? Will you promise us that they are not going to be going back to their home countries and attacking Americans again." Press Secretary said "hey we are on day 2 here." Question back was pretty much "first, if you don't have a plan why are you closing it and you have been talking about doing it on the campaign trail for 6 months to a year why don't you have a plan if you have been talking and promising to do it." Another question was is this Administration ready to deal with it if they let someone out and that person ends up killing US soldiers and citizens because of this decision. This has a making to be Obama's no WMD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOKSHOT Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Should they be "water-boarded" and shot if guilt is admitted ? Should they be set free to go straight back and try to kill our troops ? Most will you know ! Maybe they should be taken to our bad lands, given a T-P and rancid beef to eat. Thats happened before. I don't have an answer and I am waiting to hear Obamas.:idunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habib Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Didn't he put all trials on hold too. Press secretary got pushed on this too. Questions were "how can you say that US is safer by doing this when you have no plan for where they are going? Will you promise us that they are not going to be going back to their home countries and attacking Americans again." Press Secretary said "hey we are on day 2 here." Question back was pretty much "first, if you don't have a plan why are you closing it and you have been talking about doing it on the campaign trail for 6 months to a year why don't you have a plan if you have been talking and promising to do it." Another question was is this Administration ready to deal with it if they let someone out and that person ends up killing US soldiers and citizens because of this decision. This has a making to be Obama's no WMD's. The problem is that they haven't attacked America, as you put it, or very few of them have. If they had, would we have to hold them under some ambiguous legal interpretation on suspicion alone or could we legally detain and prosecute them? Not to mention, hundreds of detainees have already passed through GITMO and been sent home by the Bush administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladiesbballcoach Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 The problem is that they haven't attacked America, as you put it, or very few of them have. If they had, would we have to hold them under some ambiguous legal interpretation on suspicion alone or could we legally detain and prosecute them? Not to mention, hundreds of detainees have already passed through GITMO and been sent home by the Bush administration. It only has to be one that he releases and they kill Americans. Like Bush said, he doesn't have the luxury of being right 99 times and wrong once. He has to be right 100 times out of 100. What do you think the response will be if O sends one back home and in a year they strap a bomb to themselves and kill 20 or so Marines or walk into a mall in St. Louis and kills 100 or so citizens? O will be roasted by the media and Republicans. As I said, it could be his missing WMD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habib Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 It only has to be one that he releases and they kill Americans. Like Bush said, he doesn't have the luxury of being right 99 times and wrong once. He has to be right 100 times out of 100. What do you think the response will be if O sends one back home and in a year they strap a bomb to themselves and kill 20 or so Marines or walk into a mall in St. Louis and kills 100 or so citizens? O will be roasted by the media and Republicans. As I said, it could be his missing WMD's. Curiously, the Bush administration, in an attempt to dissuade the closing of GITMO, released a list of recidivist detainees who had resorted to terrorist activity after being released. Bush certainly wasn't skewered for it. The problem is that if we knew they were terrorists, and were going to continue being terrorists, then we could prosecute them, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True blue (and gold) Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Did anyone else hear that Bush had contemplated a similar move? I have no link, just caught it on the news somewhere and assumed there would be an article to be found on it, but haven't found one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladiesbballcoach Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Curiously, the Bush administration, in an attempt to dissuade the closing of GITMO, released a list of recidivist detainees who had resorted to terrorist activity after being released. Bush certainly wasn't skewered for it. The problem is that if we knew they were terrorists, and were going to continue being terrorists, then we could prosecute them, right? It will be interesting if it happens and I PRAY IT DOES NOT, that the Obama administration says, hey Bush did it and you didn't get on him about it. My understanding is that we are just holding people there and not prosecuting almost no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockmom Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 It will be interesting if it happens and I PRAY IT DOES NOT, that the Obama administration says, hey Bush did it and you didn't get on him about it. My understanding is that we are just holding people there and not prosecuting almost no one. Exactly. What's right about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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