Just wondering if what I heard was true and what will it do to Ashland's run game for 2009?

Edited December 12, 200817 yr by STRIKE3
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Interesting, I didn't think that Ashland had the passing game for this

Most football teams change schemes for one of two reasons. The smarter of the two is when they look at their expected starters at the skill positions for next year and realize they should change to match the skill sets of these upcoming kids. (the dumb reason is the coach who goes to a college clinic somewhere, gets enamored with some "new" scheme, and decides he's going to use it for his team, REGARDLESS of whether or not it fits.)

 

I remember when Mumme and Couch were at UK, suddenly, it seemed as if everybody was using Mumme's offense...and about half of those teams crashed and burned because they just didn't have the personnel!

 

Who's the QB heir apparent? Will the spread work for him? What about the receivers?

Most football teams change schemes for one of two reasons. The smarter of the two is when they look at their expected starters at the skill positions for next year and realize they should change to match the skill sets of these upcoming kids. (the dumb reason is the coach who goes to a college clinic somewhere, gets enamored with some "new" scheme, and decides he's going to use it for his team, REGARDLESS of whether or not it fits.)

 

I remember when Mumme and Couch were at UK, suddenly, it seemed as if everybody was using Mumme's offense...and about half of those teams crashed and burned because they just didn't have the personnel!

 

Who's the QB heir apparent? Will the spread work for him? What about the receivers?

 

There QB is a very promising Freshman in Sam Hunter. In the couple of game i seen Ashland play he was pretty accurate and had a nice ball. He also did a good job of buying time with his feet when pass protection broke down. I still think that Ashland would be better off staying with the Power I with both Alber and Carter returning next season.

I didn't understand why you would change after the season that Carter and Alber had this year. Why would you go to a spread offense after losing most your line to graduation? Are they ready to give up on their running game and turn it over to a Sophomore quarterback (Hunter) with no promising receivers? Or do they know something that no one else knows?

Running the spread doesn't mean that you stop running. If anything it helps create more natural running lanes. The hard part for the backs will be getting used to getting the ball w/out all of their momentum going forward. NewCath runs the spread, but has passed the ball about 28 times the whole run through the playoffs. The term "spread" applies more to the formations of more than 2 receivers and a prominant use of the shotgun. It's very general and broad. There are many different offensive philosophies under the heading.

Running the spread doesn't mean that you stop running. If anything it helps create more natural running lanes. The hard part for the backs will be getting used to getting the ball w/out all of their momentum going forward. NewCath runs the spread, but has passed the ball about 28 times the whole run through the playoffs. The term "spread" applies more to the formations of more than 2 receivers and a prominant use of the shotgun. It's very general and broad. There are many different offensive philosophies under the heading.

 

You are correct. If you're losing much of your OL, the spread will often help you create a more effective running game using the "pass to set up the run" mentality. Several teams use this process very effectively, and will actually run as much - or more - than they pass out of the formation.

You are correct. If you're losing much of your OL, the spread will often help you create a more effective running game using the "pass to set up the run" mentality. Several teams use this process very effectively, and will actually run as much - or more - than they pass out of the formation.

 

Agreed, with a young and unproven line, the spread will allow you to "hide" (for lack of a better term) that possible weakness. IMO all the spread will mean to Ashland is that these backs will have more room to operate, less defenders in the box, and often times can simplify blocking schemes for young linemen...see man, hit man

Running the spread doesn't mean that you stop running. If anything it helps create more natural running lanes. The hard part for the backs will be getting used to getting the ball w/out all of their momentum going forward. NewCath runs the spread, but has passed the ball about 28 times the whole run through the playoffs. The term "spread" applies more to the formations of more than 2 receivers and a prominant use of the shotgun. It's very general and broad. There are many different offensive philosophies under the heading.

 

Exactly right. Running the spread does not always mean you are going to be a pass oriented team. It creates mismatches and running lanes that you dont get with a power set offense, like the wing T or the I. Look at what Florida does with their offense. It's very much a "spread" offense but in 90% of their games they are running the ball much more then they pass the ball. But if the Tomcats want to put the ball in the air a little more, I dont see a problem with it because IMO the Hunter kid has a ton of potential and has the capibility of becoming a very good QB. It will be interesting to see what type of spread Ashland goes to. Will it be more like what WVU and Texas run with the zone read and option or will it be more like Texas Tech with more of the passing approach.

Running the spread doesn't mean that you stop running. If anything it helps create more natural running lanes. The hard part for the backs will be getting used to getting the ball w/out all of their momentum going forward. NewCath runs the spread, but has passed the ball about 28 times the whole run through the playoffs. The term "spread" applies more to the formations of more than 2 receivers and a prominant use of the shotgun. It's very general and broad. There are many different offensive philosophies under the heading.

 

You are correct. If you're losing much of your OL, the spread will often help you create a more effective running game using the "pass to set up the run" mentality. Several teams use this process very effectively, and will actually run as much - or more - than they pass out of the formation.

 

Exactly right. Running the spread does not always mean you are going to be a pass oriented team. It creates mismatches and running lanes that you dont get with a power set offense, like the wing T or the I. Look at what Florida does with their offense. It's very much a "spread" offense but in 90% of their games they are running the ball much more then they pass the ball. But if the Tomcats want to put the ball in the air a little more, I dont see a problem with it because IMO the Hunter kid has a ton of potential and has the capibility of becoming a very good QB. It will be interesting to see what type of spread Ashland goes to. Will it be more like what WVU and Texas run with the zone read and option or will it be more like Texas Tech with more of the passing approach.

 

Just to add a little more to this. Just because you are in the spread does not mean you are using the pass to set up the run either. You are creating space for your athletes.

Look at Highlands, they are a power running football team. They mainly run isolation, counter trap, and counter trey but because they are in the shotgun and split out wide receivers opposing teams and fans think they are a passing team. If HHS was under center it would look like an I-formation, but put the qb in shotgun position you look like a passing team unless you look closely.

I didn't understand why you would change after the season that Carter and Alber had this year. Why would you go to a spread offense after losing most your line to graduation? Are they ready to give up on their running game and turn it over to a Sophomore quarterback (Hunter) with no promising receivers? Or do they know something that no one else knows?

 

Who said Ashland doesn't have " any " promising receivers? To have a passing game a team needs to have a QB with some timing and touch, Hunter has both of those attributes and I know for a fact Ashland has more than one kid on the team that can haul in a pass. Have faith TCat4Life!:thumb:

Thanks Ball brain I'll keep the faith, I was just trying to understand the basics of the spread. There have been a lot of Answers to my questions. Now I can't wait till next season.

Rashard Carter is will be the perfect back in a spread. Spread the D and let him pick his holes.

Rashard Carter is will be the perfect back in a spread. Spread the D and let him pick his holes.

 

I agree with your opinion on this one for sure. When Carter hits the ' hole ' even he says he goes with his instincts rather than trying to bust through the called hole particularly. Now, when it comes to getting a head of steam up, Alber is your man. If you're on defense and you are hadable, then he is going to run over you whether in the spread or not. If Ashland can become a threat to pass I think that will help the running game a bunch! That threat really makes it hard for the second level guys to come forward on defense until they know what is happening.

I may be wrong but I just don't see Coach Hart going to the Spread. He has always been an "I" guy. He loves to run the football, and I know you can from the spread, but he loves the "I". Its what he always did at EKU, he would run it a lot there, and I think he will keep doing what he has been doing at Ashland.