I think Coach Hart is a good coach and runs what is best for his personnel. You can run a spread with the "I" formation. I think if it fits his personnel, he may run a spread, of some kind. He doesn't have to abandon his "I" formation all together. Raceland ran the Wishbone, the I formation, the wing T, and the spread all this year. Ashland can do it. It will be interesting to see it if they do.

Do not get formations confused with offensive systems. An example is the wishbone. It is a formation not an offensive system. You can line up in a number of typical wing t formations but that does not mean you are a wing t team or that you run it. One of the better examples is the double slot formation. Houston ran the run and shoot from it, Georgia Tech is running option, and Wyatt ran his double wing offense from it in the beginning.

 

Florida's offense is more like Gibb's Redskin teams then a number of other teams. If fact the run game in a large part came from UofL. Tebow just takes the place of the TB in the run concept. Most teams that use the pistol formation are in fact what most would refer to as I style running attacks.

 

Highlands is agreat example. Last year I watched them run counter trey and QB draw (though it looked much more like ISO) over and over again. There a good deal of bad spread teams. Some people think you just spread them out and things open up. You can cause the defense to reduce by attempting to spread them out. The issue with teams going to Mumme's system was not personal as much as not understanding it.

 

If they have a young line the the OL will screen the defenders attempting to create seams as opposed to attempting to slam DL off the line.

Just to add a little more to this. Just because you are in the spread does not mean you are using the pass to set up the run either. You are creating space for your athletes.

Look at Highlands, they are a power running football team. They mainly run isolation, counter trap, and counter trey but because they are in the shotgun and split out wide receivers opposing teams and fans think they are a passing team. If HHS was under center it would look like an I-formation, but put the qb in shotgun position you look like a passing team unless you look closely.

 

Sshh. We want people to continue to think we are a finesse team, incapable of pounding the football down the field against tough teams.

Do not get formations confused with offensive systems. An example is the wishbone. It is a formation not an offensive system. You can line up in a number of typical wing t formations but that does not mean you are a wing t team or that you run it. One of the better examples is the double slot formation. Houston ran the run and shoot from it, Georgia Tech is running option, and Wyatt ran his double wing offense from it in the beginning.

 

Florida's offense is more like Gibb's Redskin teams then a number of other teams. If fact the run game in a large part came from UofL. Tebow just takes the place of the TB in the run concept. Most teams that use the pistol formation are in fact what most would refer to as I style running attacks.

 

Highlands is agreat example. Last year I watched them run counter trey and QB draw (though it looked much more like ISO) over and over again. There a good deal of bad spread teams. Some people think you just spread them out and things open up. You can cause the defense to reduce by attempting to spread them out. The issue with teams going to Mumme's system was not personal as much as not understanding it.

 

If they have a young line the the OL will screen the defenders attempting to create seams as opposed to attempting to slam DL off the line.

 

 

I see the single wing when I watch Florida.

1st. UF is pretty much a single wing offense. Urban even says it. Tebow is an old-fashioned Singlewing TB in that offense. When Harvin takes the direct snap it is more easily noticed. SPREAD doesn't mean 50 passes a game. In fact most successful spread teams are balanced or run more oriented.

 

If Ashland goes spread I think it will be great for them. I would suggest that they keep a little I form, but sell out to being spread if they are serious about it. If the can establish a little bit of a passing game, the run game will flourish. Look at UF or Texas. I think if they don't want to pass at all or cant pass they will look like WVU and be shut down by a team that is faster or more disciplined though. I love the spread and I think it is a great equalizer if you do it right, but if you don't understand it or do it the right way it can be ugly (i.e. Auburn). It allows teams like Utah to beat teams that they should lose to.

 

What has caused this supposed change though? I think it is a good idea and may breed more life and enthusiasm into the program. And Ashland is already a great place to play football and I think Hart is a great coach. So i think it is a win-win if they do it.

While FL is single wing in the sense of the QB is the TB that is where it ends for the most part. Meyer and Mullins both say the run game is single wing in that sense. When you look at the them over the past 2 years they now use an H back. Their blocking scheme and run game is very much like Gibbs' run game. Meyer and Mullin went to U of L before starting at Bowling Green. They went there for 2 reasons 1) passing game John L Smith was using and 2) to learn their single back run game. They have replaced the TB with the QB for a good part.

 

When you look at Single Wing teams they are not the same as FL. FL is running power, counter trey, zone and veer blocking up front. They dress it up a little in the backfield actions but that is pretty much their blocking schemes. Since Tebow took over full time they started moving the TE off the line and moved him to an H back type roll. Pull the guard and wrap the H through instead of the backside tackle. Gibbs started it and it trickled down from there.

While FL is single wing in the sense of the QB is the TB that is where it ends for the most part. Meyer and Mullins both say the run game is single wing in that sense. When you look at the them over the past 2 years they now use an H back. Their blocking scheme and run game is very much like Gibbs' run game. Meyer and Mullin went to U of L before starting at Bowling Green. They went there for 2 reasons 1) passing game John L Smith was using and 2) to learn their single back run game. They have replaced the TB with the QB for a good part.

 

When you look at Single Wing teams they are not the same as FL. FL is running power, counter trey, zone and veer blocking up front. They dress it up a little in the backfield actions but that is pretty much their blocking schemes. Since Tebow took over full time they started moving the TE off the line and moved him to an H back type roll. Pull the guard and wrap the H through instead of the backside tackle. Gibbs started it and it trickled down from there.

 

 

Gibbs did not start it, it goes all the way back to "Pop" Warner and to Rockne's Notre Dame Box Offense. It is the counter trey, Gibbs just lined them up in different spots. BSG kicks out, next blocker thru(H-Back or tackle) lead up in the hole. Florida just puts them in the more classic spots.

While FL is single wing in the sense of the QB is the TB that is where it ends for the most part. Meyer and Mullins both say the run game is single wing in that sense. When you look at the them over the past 2 years they now use an H back. Their blocking scheme and run game is very much like Gibbs' run game. Meyer and Mullin went to U of L before starting at Bowling Green. They went there for 2 reasons 1) passing game John L Smith was using and 2) to learn their single back run game. They have replaced the TB with the QB for a good part.

 

When you look at Single Wing teams they are not the same as FL. FL is running power, counter trey, zone and veer blocking up front. They dress it up a little in the backfield actions but that is pretty much their blocking schemes. Since Tebow took over full time they started moving the TE off the line and moved him to an H back type roll. Pull the guard and wrap the H through instead of the backside tackle. Gibbs started it and it trickled down from there.

 

Either way Ashland can profit form a new offence.:ylsuper:

I don't know about that. On their QB power, they have a kickout, with atleast two lead blockers usually a backside TE and a RB. That seems to me to be just like the off-tackle single wing stuff. Same as when they run the counter trey to Demps, backside guard or tackle pulling and kicking out the end and a TE leading through the hole. Yes it is power running, but power running is really single wing football. Don't forget the jump pass either. To mix with this their traditional Utah/Bowling Green stuff, was more zone running. Zone read and option (with the shovel they run to Hernandez now) It is the single-wing on steroids, but it is the single wing. The out number the defense at the point of attack and Tebow runs through you...SINGLE WING OFF TACKLE. Is it basic playbook SW? No, but neither is the wildcat stuff. It's improved, it's modern.

Urban does credit Linehan and U of L for alot of ideas, especially the passing game. Really though, the basis for alot of his run game was Rich Rod, mix that in with the fact that he is obsessed with option-football and you get his offense turning into what it is today. It's really not just zone, it's not just single wing, it's not just option. It is a lot of offenses rolled into one.

Anyways, gotta love Spread Offense Football.

Meyer has said before he would love to run just option football but knows he can not because of the boosters. WVU was one of the stops they made that year when they went to U of L. They also went to Purdue and Northwestern. Very interesting how they tweak the system from each school (and QB) he has been at. While at Bowling Green there was more Rich Rod to their offense. Meyer now does not run much zone. I have been spending the break going through the last year and a half of FL cutups so all of this has been going through my head.

 

If anyone is interested in spread style offenses or just in football in general this is a great site

 

http://smartfootball.blogspot.com

 

Not much for a casual fan but there are some good articles about the spread and just football in general. Unless you are into football a good deal then I would stay away from the theory stuff.