^ Your point? Where am I wrong? OK he scores 4 more a game big deal. He isn't as good as Gasol now but 3 or 4 years ago he was pretty darn good. You act like Kobe has a top 10 PG or something. Not sure what the point of naming all them is?

Your arguing for a guy who has won nothing in his career..

 

AI took Philly to a championship with nobody.. Is he in this discussion too?

 

When/ if bron wins one he'll be in that discussion.. Until them, nope..

 

You have to take Kobe's title with Shaq with a grain of salt. He wasn't even the finals MVP. Any other good to decent player such as AI, T-Mac, Vince Carter, Mike Bibby, and KG and Sam I Am would have all won titles with shaq during that point in his career.

 

And to say that you would take Z over Odom is ridiculous. I don't think YOU know much about basketball and you just look at stats, Hammertime. Watch Z play. It's sickening. LO can atleast knock down a shot from beyond 8 foot. and LO can give you 20 points in a game if you need it. Z would struggle to get 20 in a one on one game against Shagari Alleyne (that was directed at Hammertime, not PMIC.)

Because you said: Mo is a very good PG. He isn't even a top 10 Point man in the NBA and it's the best player LeBron has ever played with. Unless you can say Boozer, but he wasn't until he went to Utah.

You penalize Kobe for playing on better teams? Lebron took a team the finals and thats all I have ever heard since. How did that series go? Talk to me when he does something like win the title. Sorry Kobe had Shaq and those 3 don't count now. What does Kobe being Finals MVP have to do with it.

You guys want to sit there and say Lebron's teammates are comparable which just isn't true. But then if his teammates are so bad he should have better numbers correct? You can't have it both ways. When Kobe had a bad team he put up crazy numbers.

 

Crazy numbers huh? Is that why LeBron averages nearly 2 more points a game for his career than Kobe? And LeBron's been playing for 6 years. Kobe has been for twice as long-12 years.

You'r the one throwing out stats like its your job.

You guys want to sit there and say Lebron's teammates are comparable which just isn't true. But then if his teammates are so bad he should have better numbers correct? You can't have it both ways. When Kobe had a bad team he put up crazy numbers.

 

Crazy numbers huh? Is that why LeBron averages nearly 2 more points a game for his career than Kobe? And LeBron's been playing for 6 years. Kobe has been for twice as long-12 years.

 

Exactly so Lebron should be averaging way more points, rebound, and assits. Kobe should have less since he has so many great players on his teams right?

You penalize Kobe for playing on better teams? Lebron took a team the finals and thats all I have ever heard since. How did that series go? Talk to me when he does something like win the title. Sorry Kobe had Shaq and those 3 don't count now. What does Kobe being Finals MVP have to do with it.

 

What would the Lakers' and Cavs' records be if Kobe and LeBron flip flopped? Would the Cavs be 31-9 or 31-8 whichever it is? I'm done for tonight, have to work and have class in the morning. I'll pick this up tomorrow.

 

Oh and HammerTime and PMIC, no hard feelings bro. If we agreed on everything, this board would be boring and not worth the $20

You have to take Kobe's title with Shaq with a grain of salt. He wasn't even the finals MVP. Any other good to decent player such as AI, T-Mac, Vince Carter, Mike Bibby, and KG and Sam I Am would have all won titles with shaq during that point in his career.

 

And to say that you would take Z over Odom is ridiculous. I don't think YOU know much about basketball and you just look at stats, Hammertime. Watch Z play. It's sickening. LO can atleast knock down a shot from beyond 8 foot. and LO can give you 20 points in a game if you need it. Z would struggle to get 20 in a one on one game against Shagari Alleyne (that was directed at Hammertime, not PMIC.)

 

Sam I am and Bibby? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: He couldn't win one with Penny in his prime so I don't see why he would win one with any of these guys.

I think Bron on LA equals less wins.. He doesn't have the killer instinct to will his team the way Kobe does.

I know I'm jumping in on this discussion late, but it seems pretty simple to me if we are talking Kobe v. Lebron:

 

What has Lebron done?

What would the Lakers' and Cavs' records be if Kobe and LeBron flip flopped? Would the Cavs be 31-9 or 31-8 whichever it is? I'm done for tonight, have to work and have class in the morning. I'll pick this up tomorrow.

 

Oh and HammerTime and PMIC, no hard feelings bro. If we agreed on everything, this board would be boring and not worth the $20

 

$20? You got ripped off. :lol:

 

Well its hard to say they play much different roles on offense. The triangle vs a regular O is a different animal.

I know I'm jumping in on this discussion late, but it seems pretty simple to me if we are talking Kobe v. Lebron:

 

What has Lebron done?

 

Got killed in the finals.. Our point exactly.

One last thing for the night. Kobe's first six years of his career averaged 19.9. LeBron averages 27. Just wait till 2010 when LeBron gets someone comparable in caliber to Pippen or Shaq. Just wait.

That below average PG Cleveland has went for 33 tonight.