That Iraq may be safer than Obamatown.

 

 

Honestly, I can't even respond to that.

That Iraq may be safer than Obamatown.

 

Do you think the people killed in Chicago were well-trained, well-armed, and wearing body armor?

100% of the American deaths in Iraq are the direct result of a policy decision. It is a silly argument to compare that to inevitable, random violence in a city of nearly 3 million people.

 

A silly argument? :laugh: Exactly how many people have to live in a city before 446 deaths becomes a concern for you?

How about the ones that my son works with every day? They're grateful for his presence.

 

Some of them might be. My step-dad spent a year over there and he knew a lot of people that were very happy that we were there, however there are also a lot of people who are there that do not want us there.

Oh and you've talked directly to these Iraqi people who live there? On what AIM, Myspace?

 

Your sarcasm is unnecessary.

 

I never claimed to have spoken directly to Iraqi's, but I have read speeches and statements given by Iraqi civilians who have stated that they would like us to leave their country.

 

I made a post about this topic, in this thread.

Your sarcasm is unnecessary.

 

I never claimed to have spoken directly to Iraqi's, but I have read speeches and statements given by Iraqi civilians who have stated that they would like us to leave their country.

 

I made a post about this topic, in this thread.

 

Why because it's true, it's laughable. I'm sorry but if you're going to take the word of people you don't know(which is more than likely propaganda) over people that have served over there then that's your call. I think it's a sad choice.

 

I'm not trying to say we went in for the right reasons that's a whole other argument brother, but to say that it's worse now than before, when I've talked to brothers and best friends and guys I'd never even met before about their time in Iraq, and they say that it's getting better, sorry I'm going to take their word.

 

This isn't about why we went over there, it's two different arguments' this is about making a difference which most, even the guys that said they didn't want to go back, still said they thought that it was necessary to see it through because it's making a difference.

Some of them might be. My step-dad spent a year over there and he knew a lot of people that were very happy that we were there, however there are also a lot of people who are there that do not want us there.

Yeah, Al Qaeda.

 

Seriously, I am sure there are plenty of people who don't want us there as there are plenty who are thrilled we are doing what we are doing. Lets wait and see how everyone feels in 5-10 years. It's hell now but don't you think their lives will be better for the future to come?

Has anyone on this board served in Iraq since this started?

A silly argument? :laugh: Exactly how many people have to live in a city before 446 deaths becomes a concern for you?

 

It should be concern for any American, however it is fallacious tactic to bring up American crime statistics in order to cloud a completely unrelated, yet legitimate issue. I can be concerned about crime and concerned about a misguided foreign policy at the same time.

 

By your silly line of reasoning, we shouldn't have been outraged over 9/11, because the roughly 3,000 American lives taken pales in comparison to the roughly 16,500 murders in the U.S. each year. Silly.

Why because it's true, it's laughable. I'm sorry but if you're going to take the word of people you don't know(which is more than likely propaganda) over people that have served over there then that's your call. I think it's a sad choice.

 

I'm not trying to say we went in for the right reasons that's a whole other argument brother, but to say that it's worse now than before, when I've talked to brothers and best friends and guys I'd never even met before about their time in Iraq, and they say that it's getting better, sorry I'm going to take their word.

 

This isn't about why we went over there, it's two different arguments' this is about making a difference which most, even the guys that said they didn't want to go back, still said they thought that it was necessary to see it through because it's making a difference.

 

Actually, it could not be further from the truth (your sarcastic comments). You do not have to respond with sarcasm and insults just because someone believes differently than you, and backs those beliefs up with evidence. You seem to be basing your beliefs in this thread on opinion alone. I provided a link to an article about a woman who came to America, from Iraq, and stated that things are now WORSE in Iraq and that she wanted us to leave her country.

 

I realize that in some cases, it might be better than it was before. But if you think that all Iraqi's, or even most, feel that way, I don't see how you believe that. A lot of innocent Iraqi's have been killed and a lot of their property destroyed. I just did a quick search and found an article from 2006 that says, Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show.

 

I believe most of our soldiers are over there doing what they feel is the right thing to do for their country. That is their job and I respect them for their courage. That doesn't mean that the people of Iraq feel the same way.

Yeah, Al Qaeda.

 

Seriously, I am sure there are plenty of people who don't want us there as there are plenty who are thrilled we are doing what we are doing. Lets wait and see how everyone feels in 5-10 years. It's hell now but don't you think their lives will be better for the future to come?

 

What about the innocent ones who are dead? Are their lives, or their families lives going to be better in the future?

 

And did you read the link I provided?

Has anyone on this board served in Iraq since this started?

 

I have not, but I have a step dad, uncle, and many friends from high school and college who have been in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Actually, it could not be further from the truth (your sarcastic comments). You do not have to respond with sarcasm and insults just because someone believes differently than you, and backs those beliefs up with evidence. You seem to be basing your beliefs in this thread on opinion alone. I provided a link to an article about a woman who came to America, from Iraq, and stated that things are now WORSE in Iraq and that she wanted us to leave her country.

 

I realize that in some cases, it might be better than it was before. But if you think that all Iraqi's, or even most, feel that way, I don't see how you believe that. A lot of innocent Iraqi's have been killed and a lot of their property destroyed. I just did a quick search and found an article from 2006 that says, Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show.

 

I believe most of our soldiers are over there doing what they feel is the right thing to do for their country. That is their job and I respect them for their courage. That doesn't mean that the people of Iraq feel the same way.

What relevance does an article about Iraqi attitudes toward Americans that is more than two years old have to the current discussion? Civilian casualties in Sept. 2006 were roughly three times higher than they were in Sept. 2008 and the casualties dropped further in Oct. 2008.

 

Do you think that things just might have improved in the past two years and that Iraqi attitudes toward the presence of American troops might also have changed for the better?

 

Liberal proclamations that the war had been lost two years ago were wrong then and their demands for immediate withdrawal are wrong today. We cannot block the expansion of domestic oil and gas drilling while simulatneously surrendering the Middle East to terrorist thugs that will disrupt our oil supply. That combination of policies just will not work in our best interests. If we are going to abandon the Middle East, then we need to first become truly energy independent.

Actually, it could not be further from the truth (your sarcastic comments). You do not have to respond with sarcasm and insults just because someone believes differently than you, and backs those beliefs up with evidence. You seem to be basing your beliefs in this thread on opinion alone. I provided a link to an article about a woman who came to America, from Iraq, and stated that things are now WORSE in Iraq and that she wanted us to leave her country.

I realize that in some cases, it might be better than it was before. But if you think that all Iraqi's, or even most, feel that way, I don't see how you believe that. A lot of innocent Iraqi's have been killed and a lot of their property destroyed. I just did a quick search and found an article from 2006 that says, Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show.

 

I believe most of our soldiers are over there doing what they feel is the right thing to do for their country. That is their job and I respect them for their courage. That doesn't mean that the people of Iraq feel the same way.

 

Could you please complain some more? Seriously what do you think Iraqi statements are? They're opinions, sorry but this is just silly. I agree with some of what you've said, but I generally laugh at most of your arguing points.

Could you please complain some more? Seriously what do you think Iraqi statements are? They're opinions, sorry but this is just silly. I agree with some of what you've said, but I generally laugh at most of your arguing points.

 

This is no laughing matter.

 

And the opinions I have posted are opinions of innocent civilians who are there experiencing what is going on. They're not Americans, they are Iraqi's. I'd think they'd have a better opinion of what Iraqi's want, than you, I, or American troops.