October 7, 200817 yr My post was clear. The "small 'c' communist" reference was to Ayers and it is how he describes himself. Ditto for the terrorist reference. Ayers has admitted to a series of bombings and shown no regrets for his terrorist past. Closely aligned means closely aligned. Obama administered a program that Ayers founded whose goal was to radicalize Chicago school children. Obama helped distribute millions of dollars to meet the objectives outlined by Ayers. There was no evidence that the expenditures improved the quality of the schools affected by the cash outlays. So the real reason I should be concerned about Obama's association with Ayers has nothing to so with Ayer's communist nature or admitted terrorist activity? You ignored questions posed to you by both myself and UKPat02 as to whether you felt that Obama was a terrorist. I will assume that answer is "no" then. According to your post, I take it that I am supposed to be concerned about Obama's association with Ayers due to a failed educational program that has cost millions of dollars. Let me introduce you to KERA. :lol:
October 7, 200817 yr ^ One last thing..."closely aligned" couldn't be any more open to interpretation.
October 7, 200817 yr So the real reason I should be concerned about Obama's association with Ayers has nothing to so with Ayer's communist nature or admitted terrorist activity? You ignored questions posed to you by both myself and UKPat02 as to whether you felt that Obama was a terrorist. I will assume that answer is "no" then. According to your post, I take it that I am supposed to be concerned about Obama's association with Ayers due to a failed educational program that has cost millions of dollars. Let me introduce you to KERA. :lol: I see no reason to defend or elaborate on a statement that I did not make. Given your efforts to twist clearly stated positions, you should be working for the Obama campaign. :lol:
October 7, 200817 yr ^ One last thing..."closely aligned" couldn't be any more open to interpretation.I have posted facts to back up that assertion. So far, none of those facts have been refuted. Obama deliberately attempted to mislead the public about his relationship with Ayers. I can understand why some Obama supporters might resort to parsing my sentences and words, instead of addressing the facts presented. :lol:
October 7, 200817 yr I see no reason to defend or elaborate on a statement that I did not make. Given your efforts to twist clearly stated positions, you should be working for the Obama campaign. :lol: I have twisted nothing. I will ask you once again...why should I worry about a connection between Obama and Ayers? Are you afraid that Obama is a terrorist? Are you switching to "Obama is a communist" as opposed to Obama is a socialist? These are simple questions, as opposed to implying guilt by association.
October 7, 200817 yr Doesn't that seem weird to you? I mean, it scares me more to know the "guy next door" may be the one who intends to do me harm, than those I do know. I agree. I think it is kind of a "mob effect", everyone can unite against an enemy that isn't them. Toby Keith can write songs, people can sing along, feel good that they have an enemy. I support the war, but it gets kinda hard when I know it has created a lot of bigotry towards people of a certain ethnicity/religion that I have found to be extremely good and honest folk.
October 7, 200817 yr I have twisted nothing. I will ask you once again...why should I worry about a connection between Obama and Ayers? Are you afraid that Obama is a terrorist? Are you switching to "Obama is a communist" as opposed to Obama is a socialist? These are simple questions, as opposed to implying guilt by association.Associating with known terrorists and then lying about the nature of the association is cause for great concern to me. You are obviously not concerned about it and should vote accordingly. Whether Obama is a socialist or a communist or merely a tool that is advancing their cause by championing class warfare is not a distinction that I will lose any sleep over.
October 7, 200817 yr Associating with known terrorists and then lying about the nature of the association is cause for great concern to me. You are obviously not concerned about it and should vote accordingly. Whether Obama is a socialist or a communist or merely a tool that is advancing their cause by championing class warfare is not a distinction that I will lose any sleep over. I'll give it a third try. Do you think that Obama is secretly a terrorist?
October 7, 200817 yr I'll give it a third try. Do you think that Obama is secretly a terrorist?:lol: No. He is merely a close terrorist associate.
October 7, 200817 yr :lol: No. He is merely a close terrorist associate. :lol::lol::lol: And just how much time does this "terrorist associate" spend with the former terrorist?
October 7, 200817 yr :lol::lol::lol: And just how much time does this "terrorist associate" spend with the former terrorist?Not much since Obama decided to run for president and present himself as a moderate. I am really having a tough time seeing the humor in a prospective president having a close association with domestic terrorists. After doing some quick research, even CNN concluded that Obama and his campaign have not been honest about the nature and extent of Obama's association with Ayers and Dohrn. Apparently Obama understands the political ramifications of consorting with terrorists even if his supporters do not.
October 7, 200817 yr Not much since Obama decided to run for president and present himself as a moderate. I am really having a tough time seeing the humor in a prospective president having a close association with domestic terrorists. After doing some quick research, even CNN concluded that Obama and his campaign have not been honest about the nature and extent of Obama's association with Ayers and Dohrn. Apparently Obama understands the political ramifications of consorting with terrorists even if his supporters do not. Oh no, please don't tell me they gave the money to a Model UN School!! Seriously though, why isn't the headline "Obama pals around with 1997 recipient of Chicago's Citizen of the Year"?
October 7, 200817 yr Oh no, please don't tell me they gave the money to a Model UN School!! Seriously though, why isn't the headline "Obama pals around with 1997 recipient of Chicago's Citizen of the Year"? Maybe Chicago Mayor Richard Daley will step forward and vouch for the great work that Bomber Bill and his pal Barrack did in the city while the served together on two foundation boards. I certainly hope so! :lol: After watching the CNN video, would you say that Obama has been honest in describing Ayers as simply a "guy who lives in his neighborhood?" If not, then why has Obama lied about his relationship with a man who once advocated the systematic murder of one's parents as a great way to affect change and undermine our capitalist system.
October 7, 200817 yr Maybe Chicago Mayor Richard Daley will step forward and vouch for the great work that Bomber Bill and his pal Barrack did in the city while the served together on two foundation boards. I certainly hope so! :lol: After watching the CNN video, would you say that Obama has been honest in describing Ayers as simply a "guy who lives in his neighborhood?" If not, then why has Obama lied about his relationship with a man who once advocated the systematic murder of one's parents as a great way to affect change and undermine our capitalist system. Please answer these questions for me: 1. Was Ayers engaged in terrorist activities during the period of time Obama has known him? 2. When was Ayers' last known terrorist activities? 3. Has Obama conspired in any terrorist activities? 4. Has Obama condemned Ayers' past? All said and done, is it possible Obama just used Ayers as a stepping stone to advance his political career?
October 7, 200817 yr Please answer these questions for me: 1. Was Ayers engaged in terrorist activities during the period of time Obama has known him? 2. When was Ayers' last known terrorist activities? 3. Has Obama conspired in any terrorist activities? 4. Has Obama condemned Ayers' past? All said and done, is it possible Obama just used Ayers as a stepping stone to advance his political career? Your questions are irrelevant. Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist and Obama had a close relationship with him before he decided to run for president. Those are the stubborn facts. Why did Obama lie about the nature of his relationship with Ayers if their association is no problem? Obama's trustworthiness is the issue being raised by McCain and Palin and the disconnect between Obama's words and reality are causing some panic within the Obama campaign.
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