Really. I don't recall the Deuternomical laws or Levitical laws in the Constitution. Did I miss the shellfish ban?

 

Nope, but I bet you did not miss thou shall not murder, commit adultry, give false witness, steal...

Nope, but I bet you did not miss thou shall not murder, commit adultry, give false witness, steal...

 

I think many of those came from Draco and Hammurabi who if I recall existed prior to Moses so our laws could be called Draconian. :thumb:

Nope, but I bet you did not miss thou shall not murder, commit adultry, give false witness, steal...

 

I don't see them in the constitution either.

I don't see them in the constitution either.

 

So it is legal to kill some one

So it is legal to kill some one

 

You said:

 

the United States was founded upon Mosaic Law.

 

You then replied it was about the 10 Commandments (which is not the end all, of all with Mosaic Law as Deuteronomy and Leviticus contain the greatest portion of what is called Mosaic Law.).

 

I merely pointed out that the US Constitutions holds no such references nor is it theocratic in nature as the Mosaic Law was.

 

Now you bring up the murder issue but the 10 commandments was not the first set of laws to have those rules in place. (As has been pointed out.) I would also add that Murder is a STATE crime, not federal. The US (meaning the federal government) rarely deals with those issues.

 

My point of contention to your original post is that you painted your scenario using the fallacy that the US government was founded on Mosaic Law. You then go on to use this as a support that the majority rules. But US law is based more on justice than populist sentiment. Hence it is often willing to protect the minority from the majority if freedom is the aim. :thumb:

Been thinking about this and I would answer......

 

Putting the desire for wealth in whatever form (meaning anything) over your desire to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and His Father and the desire to share that same relationship with Jesus Christ and His Father with others.

The Gospel does not simply ask us to give money to charity, it asks us to bring God's Kingdom to earth, and to do that Poverty must be eradicated. Poverty cannot be eradicated without some wealth redistribution.

 

One person lives under a bridge and 1 person buys a 1.4 million dollar car - that is certainly not what Jesus envisioned.

 

It is not about what I can give, and what I do give it is about the steps I am taking to get rid of systemic poverty. It is what I do to bring social justice to the poor and oppressed.

 

In this same chapter, Paul lauds those who give beyond their means.

 

Please support the bolded with Scripture.

 

I don't think poverty can ever be eradicated. Jesus said, "you will always have the poor...." I think we should work towards that goal, absolutely. But I don't think we will ever accomplish that goal.

 

I think God will when His Son comes back to this sinful world.

Does Jesus expect Christians to be forced to do it without much thought or expect it to come from the heart?

 

Does wealth distribution in the form of taxes do anything to show a Christian heart?

 

If it is okay to be forced, does your church ENFORCE a MANDATORY tithing of 15 to 50% of your income so they can redistribute it? There is nothing preventing a church from doing what you are suggesting.

 

Still waiting for a reply on this.

Please support the bolded with Scripture.

 

I don't think poverty can ever be eradicated. Jesus said, "you will always have the poor...." I think we should work towards that goal, absolutely. But I don't think we will ever accomplish that goal.

 

I think God will when His Son comes back to this sinful world.

 

You kingdome come, your will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven

Still waiting for a reply on this.

 

You are still focusing on the sin and the heart of the giver. I am much more worried about the person suffering from oppressive poverty and a system that does not lift them up. You are still talking about taxes, I am talking about changing the system

 

I don't want to change the system so that the wealthy can go to heaven I want to change the system so that no child lives in poverty.

You kingdome come, your will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven

 

 

That is God's will but not God's kingdom.

 

But I understand your view now. Thought you meant that God's kingdom should be set up and ruling the world.

 

Jesus though told them they will always have the poor but they will only have him for a short time. Doesn't that make it seem that searching for Christ and that relationship with Him is more important than solving poverty?

 

I will 100% agree with you that once that relationship is found, it should be the mindset of a Christian to help others.

You are still focusing on the sin and the heart of the giver. I am much more worried about the person suffering from oppressive poverty and a system that does not lift them up. You are still talking about taxes, I am talking about changing the system

 

I don't want to change the system so that the wealthy can go to heaven I want to change the system so that no child lives in poverty.

 

So, which is more important to you, their world existence or their eternal existence?

 

And we DO NOT have oppressive poverty in this country.

Africa HAS oppressive poverty.

That is God's will but not God's kingdom.

 

But I understand your view now. Thought you meant that God's kingdom should be set up and ruling the world.

 

Jesus though told them they will always have the poor but they will only have him for a short time. Doesn't that make it seem that searching for Christ and that relationship with Him is more important than solving poverty?

 

I will 100% agree with you that once that relationship is found, it should be the mindset of a Christian to help others.

 

YOUR KINGDOM COME . . .

So, which is more important to you, their world existence or their eternal existence?

 

And we DO NOT have oppressive poverty in this country.

Africa HAS oppressive poverty.

 

I have 50 kids in a day treatment. Right now 35 of them are on Free lunch. Come tell them, who don't have a home to call their own, who ask us to help them buy basic needs, that poverty is not oppressive. The poverty keeps them from making choices.

 

Again, my MUCH is TOO much and THEIR little is TOO little. I fall under the greedy category.

That is God's will but not God's kingdom.

 

But I understand your view now. Thought you meant that God's kingdom should be set up and ruling the world.

 

Jesus though told them they will always have the poor but they will only have him for a short time. Doesn't that make it seem that searching for Christ and that relationship with Him is more important than solving poverty?

 

I will 100% agree with you that once that relationship is found, it should be the mindset of a Christian to help others.

 

 

The two (Kingdom Come, thy will) are married together. It is speaking of Kingdom Come in the here and now. The Kingdom is breaking into the world (read related parables). There are glimpses of it when you say the grace of God meet the lives of people. That was Acemona's point I believe.