Guess which single individual is responsible for reaffirming this Catholic Doctrine over and over, even when pressured by millions of Catholics worldwide to overturn it? Guess who's blamed most often when ex-Catholics say they left the Church because of this doctrine in particular. Yep....that's right....the Pope.

 

What's the old saying about a blind squirrel finding a Birdsfan?:lol::flame:

 

I respect, applaud, impressed, love, (throw any other positive adjective in here that you wish) the position of the Pope on this one.

 

Many preachers, pastors, ministers, etc, etc, also hold this view.

Actually you can do the majority of these things. They just aren't legal.

 

Then just overturn Roe, your right to choose won't be affected, it just won't be legal.

What's the old saying about a blind squirrel finding a Birdsfan?:lol::flame:

 

I respect, applaud, impressed, love, (throw any other positive adjective in here that you wish) the position of the Pope on this one.

 

Many preachers, pastors, ministers, etc, etc, also hold this view.

 

 

I think I am going to frame the above. Not only for the props to the pope, but because of the Birdsfan comment too. :lol:

Then just overturn Roe, your right to choose won't be affected, it just won't be legal.

 

Actually it would just allow the state's to decide their stance. Abortion would still be legal in some places; I hope.

Actually the scriptures tell us that we should turn the other cheek, so maybe we are supposed to worry about how we handle ourselves - if we're going to pull out one scripture at a time.

 

In my belief, there is a clear cut separation of church and state. The state is making laws based on what is best for society and the people within. I can see how the state can side with the rights of the women involved.

 

 

The church is where we develop our personal beliefs and our relationship with God. As I stated above, I would never want to be any part of an abortion. That is my personal business and is between me and God.

 

IMO the two are completely separate.

 

The bolded leads me to my question for this thread.

 

Aren't you as a Christian putting the state's/country's views ABOVE God's views by taking this position???

 

I believe you would feel that God is opposed to abortion.

So, if you are willing to accept the state's position, then you have put the state's views as 1 and God's view as 2.

 

Have you not?

 

Simply when it comes down to what Christ asks us to do and it stands opposed to what the state/country says we should do, how does a Christian side with the state/country?

Actually you can do the majority of these things. They just aren't legal.

 

Except for the over 65 thing. You do know that it is 70 now, right?

 

 

I'm tellin' ya. My dad is 75 and he drives....with a driver's license. Somebody better tell him that it's been revoked, because he tears up the road between his house and Leitchfield. :lol:

I'm tellin' ya. My dad is 75 and he drives....with a driver's license. Somebody better tell him that it's been revoked, because he tears up the road between his house and Leitchfield. :lol:

 

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The bolded leads me to my question for this thread.

 

Aren't you as a Christian putting the state's/country's views ABOVE God's views by taking this position???

 

I believe you would feel that God is opposed to abortion.

So, if you are willing to accept the state's position, then you have put the state's views as 1 and God's view as 2.

 

Have you not?

 

Simply when it comes down to what Christ asks us to do and it stands opposed to what the state/country says we should do, how does a Christian side with the state/country?

 

I don't know that separation puts one above the other. Scripture tells us that Christ believed in a separation through his "render to Caesar what is Caesar's" passage.

There were all kinds of things going on around Jesus that were opposed to scripture but endorsed by the government at that time. Murder would be the top example. The killing of men for sport was in direct contradiction with the scriptures, but Jesus didn't run into the middle of the Coliseum (sp?) to protest. When Jesus came into contact with the prostitutes and other lowlife of the time, he didn't try to change the world through politics, but rather with personal relationships with those around him. He spread his love, forgiveness and compassion to small groups at a time. I think we are called to do the same. If we can effect a few of the young people we come into contact with in our daily lives and encourage them to CHOOSE the way God has in mind, how much more positive is that than forcing a law on them.

I don't know that separation puts one above the other. Scripture tells us that Christ believed in a separation through his "render to Caesar what is Caesar's" passage.

There were all kinds of things going on around Jesus that were opposed to scripture but endorsed by the government at that time. Murder would be the top example. The killing of men for sport was in direct contradiction with the scriptures, but Jesus didn't run into the middle of the Coliseum (sp?) to protest. When Jesus came into contact with the prostitutes and other lowlife of the time, he didn't try to change the world through politics, but rather with personal relationships with those around him. He spread his love, forgiveness and compassion to small groups at a time. I think we are called to do the same. If we can effect a few of the young people we come into contact with in our daily lives and encourage them to CHOOSE the way God has in mind, how much more positive is that than forcing a law on them.

 

Nice post.

 

No doubt that what you say is the #1 method.

 

But I just don't see how a Christian, one who is really trying to follow the teachings of Christ can support abortion.

 

It is not that I am saying they are wrong, I just want to know their mindset that they think Jesus would think that abortion is acceptable.

I'm tellin' ya. My dad is 75 and he drives....with a driver's license. Somebody better tell him that it's been revoked, because he tears up the road between his house and Leitchfield. :lol:

 

I finally got the joke! :lol:

I finally got the joke! :lol:

 

It did just get brighter here on BGP.

Like a light bulb just went off.:lol:

I'll ask you as well. You say its murder. Do we put the women in jail for life? Death penalty?

 

The doctor who performs the abortion should be prosecuted.

The doctor who performs the abortion should be prosecuted.

 

With what punishment?

 

Nothing for the woman? If I hold my child up for a murderer to slash his throat, I am quite sure that I will be prosecuted for murder. How, if abortion is murder, is they any different for a woman?

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Bad wording...thanks HHSDad!

With what punishment?

 

Nothing for the woman? If I hold my child up for a murderer to slash his throat, I am quite sure that I will be prosecuted for murder. How, if abortion is murder, is they any different for a woman?

 

It really isn't ---- and if the woman has been educated and knows that she is killing a viable baby it should be prosecuted as premeditated murder. However, if she has not been made aware that she is carrying and getting ready to kill a real baby it should be prosecuted to a lesser degree. (i.e. manslaughter). But you are essentially right, murder is murder, just different degrees. I didn't mention the woman's punishment before because the post asked if the doctor should be prosecuted for murder.

 

The doctor should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, have his licensed revoked and never be able to practice again. What ever happened to the hypocratic oath?

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There is no way that any Christian can stand for abortion.

 

 

They ususally make you lie on the table and put your feet in the stirrups.