If you watch the video, they cant run the ball. Like someone stated earlier in the thread, a speedy defense who handles their individual responibilities, could handle this particular offense. I like the thought but at some point you will need to be able to run the ball.

In high school football you have to be eligible by position, and seven players have to be on the line of scrimmage, with only the last player on that side of the line being eligible. Without changing the rules of football, this can't be done. By definition only six players can be eligible on any given play: the last player on each side of the line (2), and all the players not on the line (4).

 

7 players have to onthe line but it can be any combination of players and all players can have on eligible numbers.

I only watched the first 4 series. So if they ran the ball effectively after that, Im sure someone will be correcting me.....:thumb:

Here is where I see the problem, they clearly are taking advantage of the rule made for kicking. I'd be surprised if rules committees don't simply close the loophole, and to be honest I'm not sure this loophole necessarily exist in all states.

 

It is NFHS rules and not related to states.

If you watch the video, they cant run the ball. Like someone stated earlier in the thread, a speedy defense who handles their individual responibilities, could handle this particular offense. I like the thought but at some point you will need to be able to run the ball.

 

Didnt' the article say that this is not their only formation?

If you watch the video, they cant run the ball. Like someone stated earlier in the thread, a speedy defense who handles their individual responibilities, could handle this particular offense. I like the thought but at some point you will need to be able to run the ball.

 

There is more to the offense than what is shown on the video.

It is NFHS rules and not related to states.

 

:thumb:

 

There have to be 7 players on the offenses line of scrimmage regardless in all 50 states that play by the NFHS rules.

 

Looking at their offense, it doesn't look like anything that unusual. They still have 7 on the LOS, they still can only have eligible receivers downfield on a pass, etc. All they are really doing is spreading the field more by putting more players away from the initial tackle box area.

Here is where I see the problem, they clearly are taking advantage of the rule made for kicking.

 

"Taking advantage" means: FOLLOWING the rules.

 

 

Therefore: NO Problem exists.

 

 

Don't like what their doing? Change the rules.

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There have to be 7 players on the offenses line of scrimmage regardless in all 50 states that play by the NFHS rules.

 

Looking at their offense, it doesn't look like anything that unusual. They still have 7 on the LOS, they still can only have eligible receivers downfield on a pass, etc. All they are really doing is spreading the field more by putting more players away from the initial tackle box area.

 

Not unusual? Heck, they could have all 7 of their lineman off to one side. That's not unusual? The center could be eligible for a pass. Unusual?

There is more to the offense than what is shown on the video.

 

Assumed as much, mainly referring to this particular package. It didnt appear they could run out of this package.

Questions for the officials:

 

1. Does the qb have to initially line up more than 7 yards back in order to have the "no hitting the center" rule? Or can they start in a traditional formation and the move into the kick formation? I would think if its the latter, it would be a challenge for the NG to recognize it.

 

2. Lets say that a covered up lineman is out wide on the LOS. I assume its not illegal for him to step back after the snap and fake as if he's an eligible receiver to receive a flanker screen, correct? If not, that then places a little extra requirement of attentiveness on the part of the defender.

 

3. Even though we see a lineman on each side of the snapper, that's not a requirement, correct? And they can be off the LOS as well, correct?

One more question. I read on another site that the kick formation is in effect since no one is in place to receive a direct snap from the center. That would indicate to me that the shotgun formation would suffice as well.

 

Is there a difference between a shotgun formation and a kick formation? What are the nuances?

Don't like what their doing? Change the rules.

Thats what I'm saying will happen. The seven men on the line rule and the ineligible number rule has a purpose. The purpose is to keep the standard football system in place. This A-11 system has just used the rules to get around the purpose, I strongly believe this will get reviewed and the system will get outlawed.

Not unusual? Heck, they could have all 7 of their lineman off to one side. That's not unusual? The center could be eligible for a pass. Unusual?

 

I have seen other teams run similar offensive plays, however, I believe you are right I did mistakenly state that it wasn't unusual. South Laurel ran a formation in HS last year in a goal line situation where the center was eligible. It is unusual. Normally if these types of formations are run, the are run very rarely and as trick plays. I remember when an overloaded line was considered a 'trick' or 'gimmick' formation. What about the first time someone put their QB in the shotgun formation? What about the first time a team tried the old 'swinging gate' on a FG or PAT try? Different to run it as your regular offense, but defenses will adjust. It does spread the defenses out, but if the defense is smart and coached well, it is easy to see who is eligible downfield and who is not. It is just using various 'trick' formations as part of their regular package. I'll bet it is exciting to watch.

 

The game is still about blocking and tackling.

Questions for the officials:

 

1. Does the qb have to initially line up more than 7 yards back in order to have the "no hitting the center" rule? Or can they start in a traditional formation and the move into the kick formation? I would think if its the latter, it would be a challenge for the NG to recognize it.

 

2. Lets say that a covered up lineman is out wide on the LOS. I assume its not illegal for him to step back after the snap and fake as if he's an eligible receiver to receive a flanker screen, correct? If not, that then places a little extra requirement of attentiveness on the part of the defender.

 

3. Even though we see a lineman on each side of the snapper, that's not a requirement, correct? And they can be off the LOS as well, correct?

 

1. Yes, a scrimmage kick formation requires at least one player to be 7 yards or more behind the LOS in position to receive the snap.

 

2. Sure, a covered up lineman can certainly step backwards and fake.

 

3. Yes, a snapper can be an eligible receiver (by number and position on the end of the line) on any down.