You missed my point.

 

ON BOARDS LIKE THIS ONE, people are always talking "second chance" in the sports threads but you don't see that same enthusiasm for the guy caught selling weed or crack or the guy who drives drunk or....

 

We lose our mind when it comes to our favorite sports teams.

 

 

Actually, in everyday life there are many 2nd, 3rd, 4th and even more chances. If you have a good attorney, you can get caught for DUI several times and never actually be convicted of a DUI. You can also be convicted of a DUI and go through a Diversion program, and have the charges ammended to a lesser offense, or even negated.

 

The difference is that in everyday life, you don't hear of them, it's rote. In this situation, a kid stands to lose a significant relative financial opportunity. Most of the people who go through the process I described above do not lose their jobs because of what they did.

 

To me, IMVHO, I do think kids deserve a 2nd chance. I'm not for giving them unlimited chances. But I do think that if an 18~ish kid makes a stupid mistake, uses poor judgement, whatever you want to call it, that it doesn't necessarily mean he should be written off.

Actually, in everyday life there are many 2nd, 3rd, 4th and even more chances. If you have a good attorney, you can get caught for DUI several times and never actually be convicted of a DUI. You can also be convicted of a DUI and go through a Diversion program, and have the charges ammended to a lesser offense, or even negated.

 

The difference is that in everyday life, you don't hear of them, it's rote. In this situation, a kid stands to lose a significant relative financial opportunity. Most of the people who go through the process I described above do not lose their jobs because of what they did.

 

To me, IMVHO, I do think kids deserve a 2nd chance. I'm not for giving them unlimited chances. But I do think that if an 18~ish kid makes a stupid mistake, uses poor judgement, whatever you want to call it, that it doesn't necessarily mean he should be written off.

 

My point was that we as a society are two-faced. We prove it on this board. We always say the athlete deserves a second chance yet we never see that same chance offered outside of a sports discussion.

 

I guess we also differ on what we call "2nd chances." I'm all for the kid getting the chance to get an education. However, this ONE mistake cost him his chance to play college athletics for my university. As I said, this wasn't a case of getting caught with beer when you're 18. It wasn't a case of some sophomoric prank gone awry. It was a case where a young man STOOD BY AND WATCHED and FILMED his friend violating a female that , by all accounts, was passed out.

 

If you're (collective you)OK with him representing your university, have at it. I find it inexcusable for a school to even consider for one second letting this man (yes, he's an adult) wear their school colors.

My point was that we as a society are two-faced. We prove it on this board. We always say the athlete deserves a second chance yet we never see that same chance offered outside of a sports discussion.

 

I guess we also differ on what we call "2nd chances." I'm all for the kid getting the chance to get an education. However, this ONE mistake cost him his chance to play college athletics for my university. As I said, this wasn't a case of getting caught with beer when you're 18. It wasn't a case of some sophomoric prank gone awry. It was a case where a young man STOOD BY AND WATCHED and FILMED his friend violating a female that , by all accounts, was passed out.

 

If you're (collective you)OK with him representing your university, have at it. I find it inexcusable for a school to even consider for one second letting this man (yes, he's an adult) wear their school colors.

 

 

But, if we as a society give 2nd chances to non-athletes, why should we deny 2nd chances to athletes? To me, it's a double-standard to deny an athlete a 2nd chance, yet allow a CEO a 2nd chance, while keeping his job.

But, if we as a society give 2nd chances to non-athletes, why should we deny 2nd chances to athletes? To me, it's a double-standard to deny an athlete a 2nd chance, yet allow a CEO a 2nd chance, while keeping his job.

 

Again, we're talking about different 2nd chances. I think this kid is lucky he is not facing criminal charges. That's a pretty nice 2nd chance right there. Also, as I previously said, I'm not saying the kid is to be locked up forever with no chance of educating himself. If he wants to pay his own way to get an education , more power to him. Being able to do that is a big 2nd chance.

 

I'm just not sure why we feel like we owe it to him to let him play college athletics. IF we all agree that its a privilege then why do we insist he be allowed to play after he made what could be a serious criminal act?

 

To your last point, if a CEO was caught filming his CFO masturbating over an unconscious college girl, he's not keeping his job.

 

The bigger point , which I originally asked, is why would UC even consider him? They are moving up to the big time. They don't need kids like this.

 

Rarely do 2nd chances change the person. We've seen it over and over. He's not worth the chance .

To your last point, if a CEO was caught filming his CFO masturbating over an unconscious college girl, he's not keeping his job.

 

Daniels didn't "keep his job". He was fired, and left to try and recover his dreams. After over 5 months the investigation had no grounds to charge him, and he got his life back in order. I get where you are coming from, I just don't think it applies to Alex Daniels...

Again, we're talking about different 2nd chances. I think this kid is lucky he is not facing criminal charges. That's a pretty nice 2nd chance right there. Also, as I previously said, I'm not saying the kid is to be locked up forever with no chance of educating himself. If he wants to pay his own way to get an education , more power to him. Being able to do that is a big 2nd chance.

 

I'm just not sure why we feel like we owe it to him to let him play college athletics. IF we all agree that its a privilege then why do we insist he be allowed to play after he made what could be a serious criminal act?

 

To your last point, if a CEO was caught filming his CFO masturbating over an unconscious college girl, he's not keeping his job.

 

The bigger point , which I originally asked, is why would UC even consider him? They are moving up to the big time. They don't need kids like this.

 

Rarely do 2nd chances change the person. We've seen it over and over. He's not worth the chance .

 

 

I couldn't disagree any more strongly on this point.

Are they put on scholarship and get the privledge of playing college athletics? I'm all for the young man to get his education. I just don't see how he deserves to play football.

 

Moss, a convicted young man at the time was put on scholly at FSU then Marshall.

 

What was this young man convicted of? To my knowledge, you are innocent until proven guilty. Others who have been convicted of crimes got that opportunity, ... why shouldn't someone who wasn't even charged get that chance?

Moss, a convicted young man at the time was put on scholly at FSU then Marshall.

 

What was this young man convicted of? To my knowledge, you are innocent until proven guilty. Others who have been convicted of crimes got that opportunity, ... why shouldn't someone who wasn't even charged get that chance?

 

Please. Don't try to use Free Shoes University as a shining example of schools making the right decisions.

Been kind of kicking this back and forth...

I think I would take a pass on the kid.

Heard a caller to Lance's show yesterday mention that Kelly spoke at Moeller function last year and one of the points he made was that his players would respect women...if true, this kind of goes against that.

 

But the biggest thing that prevents me from taking him is just thinking about what he did.

Maybe having my own kids comes into play somewhat...but think about it.

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Please. Don't try to use Free Shoes University as a shining example of schools making the right decisions.

 

Come on, .... that's Felon State University!

 

My point is that this young man was not charged or convicted of any crime.

Daniels has been cleared to play. Here is a free Rivals article from the football writer at the UC site I work for on the situation...

 

http://cincinnati.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=824018