What exactly is "sound" about it?

For starters...

Calling on every vehicle manufacturer that serves the U.S. market to produce flex-fuel vehicles – cars and trucks that can be powered with either gasoline or biofuels – across their fleet;

Providing tax incentives for people to buy fuel-efficient hybrid vehicles that run on both gasoline and electricity.

Investing in plug-in hybrids that can cover up to 40 miles on electricity alone.

Since President Bush took office, the Federal Government has spent more than $12 billion to research, develop, and promote alternative energy sources.

The other night, I saw an advertisement by Exxon essentially advertising their committment to finding alternative energy sources. While I don't think that they should be forced to do so, I do think they (oil companies) are probably in the best position to find and invest in those alternative sources. It will serve to ensure that they stay profitable if and when the US is able to reduce it's dependence on foreign oil by utilizing those alternative sources. IMO, while the money is rolling in is the time for them to grab the best and brightest of those entrepreneurs and get them under their umbrella. I'm not saying I think that competition by the little guy is bad, but I think that the solutions would be found more quickly and marketed more quickly if the giants put their power behind them.

While I don't completely disagree, Rockmom, I am not sure that putting alternative energy research under the auspices of big oil will expedite the transition to other forms of energy. IMO, oil companies should be focused on developing methods to extract oil from oil shale and the probably should be involved in coal gasification research. Wind, solar, nuclear, etc. would be better left to others. Having oil companies gobble up small companies working to develop alternative sources of energy could actually be counterproductive if there is no synergy between the tradtiional oil company and the acquired company.

 

Howerver, the number one job of oil companies should be to bring more product to market.

 

BTW, this week Exxon-Mobil announced plans to divest itself of all of its retail gas stations over the next few years because of declining profit margins.

Well their was talk about being led by an idiot, easy to see how Bush fits that part of the thread...

 

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For starters...

Calling on every vehicle manufacturer that serves the U.S. market to produce flex-fuel vehicles – cars and trucks that can be powered with either gasoline or biofuels – across their fleet;

Providing tax incentives for people to buy fuel-efficient hybrid vehicles that run on both gasoline and electricity.

Investing in plug-in hybrids that can cover up to 40 miles on electricity alone.

Since President Bush took office, the Federal Government has spent more than $12 billion to research, develop, and promote alternative energy sources.

 

Agreed, all very sound proposals but obviously much more needs to be done. This is an area where partisian politics cannot play a role. Unfortunately it has and will continue to do so until the american consumer/voter meets the breaking point. I just wish I knew where the breaking point lies.

HB, I'm not going to stoop the typical level you take these arguments to, so lets just agree to the fact that you hate Bush, I merely dislike him and you respect Obama and I can't stand him. Let's just leave it at that. :thumb:

 

Not sure why you have to attack me personally here...

 

I'm not so sure McCain will do anything good for our economy if elected though. He has stated before that he knows very little about economics and needs to learn more in that area. I'm sure if he's elected the trend of Bush will continue and our country will go further into debt.

Not sure why you have to attack me personally here...

Not a personal attack at all, just history. Best idea is to just heed RM's advice. :thumb:

I am seriously tempted to write HHSDad's name on the ballot in November. Seriously. I am to the point where I feel the GOP needs 4 years of Barack Obama so the sting of getting smacked around by an idiot shocks them back into running conservative candidates.

 

 

 

You really an truly think that Senator Obama is an idiot? I don't agree with everything that Obama or McCain says, but I would be foolish to think that either of those two men are idiots. I think they are both capable of leading well and are honorable men.

John McCain was rated 17% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence.

 

About the CAF (from their website, http://www.ourfuture.org):

 

The Campaign for America's Future (CAF) is a center for ideas and action that works to build an enduring majority for progressive change. The Campaign advances a progressive economic agenda and a vision of the future that works for the many, not simply the few. The Campaign is leading the fight for America's priorities--against privatization of Social Security, for investment in energy independence, good jobs and a sustainable economy, for an ethical and accountable Congress and for high quality public education.

 

For a comparison, Barack Obama received a 100% rating by the CAF indicating support for energy independence.

 

John McCain

 

Barack Obama

Barack Obama's presidency would be paradise compared to George W. Bush's hideous time spent leading this country. Conservatives have had their chance and look at our situation. Do you really think another conservative is going to do better than Bush?

 

Didn't Bush have a heavy conservative majority in congress earlier in his term as President?

 

Obama is not going to be a paradise from a conservative standpoint.

 

Bush did not have a heavy conservative majority in Congress. You seem to forget the major Democratic obstructionism that went on.

 

Moreover, from a fiscal standpoint, you know as well as I do that Bush has not been conservative.

 

To say "conservatives have had their chance" is stretching it.

 

You know what we are talking about.

And I wouldn't expect you to say anything else.

 

Don't get personal.

HB, I'm not going to stoop the typical level you take these arguments to, so lets just agree to the fact that you hate Bush, I merely dislike him and you respect Obama and I can't stand him. Let's just leave it at that. :thumb:

 

Don't get personal.

You really an truly think that Senator Obama is an idiot? I don't agree with everything that Obama or McCain says, but I would be foolish to think that either of those two men are idiots. I think they are both capable of leading well and are honorable men.

 

I don't believe that Barack Obama has the first idea in his own head if it is not on a teleprompter. I am dead-on serious about that.

McCain was right. He does not know much about our economy. Fortunately for him, neither does Obama.

 

Obama knows how to deliever a good speech, take Oprah's money and read a teleprompter, Should I come up with anything else that he has experience in I will let you know. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one though.....unless blue is your favorite color .

I may "Change" though, as soon as I can tell someone what that "Change" means. :jump:

You really an truly think that Senator Obama is an idiot? .

 

This question wasn't for me so forgive me if I am out of line by quoting it.

I will tell you and I think that it is obvious that I don't like Obama. I agree with you that the man is not an idiot, far from it and as a matter of fact it really takes some intelligence to know how to run the "con" job that he is doing on America.

John McCain was rated 17% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence.

 

About the CAF (from their website, http://www.ourfuture.org):

 

The Campaign for America's Future (CAF) is a center for ideas and action that works to build an enduring majority for progressive change. The Campaign advances a progressive economic agenda and a vision of the future that works for the many, not simply the few. The Campaign is leading the fight for America's priorities--against privatization of Social Security, for investment in energy independence, good jobs and a sustainable economy, for an ethical and accountable Congress and for high quality public education.

 

For a comparison, Barack Obama received a 100% rating by the CAF indicating support for energy independence.

 

John McCain

 

Barack Obama

The link does not work for me but it does not matter. I am not interested in the opinions of George Soros' front organizations. They are not credible. (Soros has donated at least $300,000 to Campaign for America's Future.)