A major point being missed in this debate is that these loans aren't given out of reverence for the service these people are undertaking, but an incentive to get more people to do it. Debt forgiveness is a recruitment tool, not a reward.

Halfback20, I have a hypothetical question for you. What would you do if for some reason there were no penalties for not paying back the loans?

Living in the Age of Entitlement. :cry:

If you acrue student loan debt before you join the military, will the military still pay off that debt? I always thought they would pay for school after you joined, but not back pay any debts you had already collected.

Living in the Age of Entitlement. :cry:

Now Madeleine, I saw you on the news last night hugging Chelsea Clinton at a rally.:lol:

If you acrue student loan debt before you join the military, will the military still pay off that debt? I always thought they would pay for school after you joined, but not back pay any debts you had already collected.

 

They will pay off debts that you have accrued before you enter the military. They just did it for a friend, and they have told me they'd do it for me up to $40,000.

Halfback20, I have a hypothetical question for you. What would you do if for some reason there were no penalties for not paying back the loans?

 

This has nothing to do with the topic, and why are you specifically asking me?

A major point being missed in this debate is that these loans aren't given out of reverence for the service these people are undertaking, but an incentive to get more people to do it. Debt forgiveness is a recruitment tool, not a reward.

 

:thumb:Absolutely.

I know a fine young lady that is going to become a police officer, she has no desire to have the govt pay her way, she's happy to do it on her own. I guess I feel better about people doing what I consider the honorable thing. I don't like any gimme programs, they make people lazy and unappreciative.

 

So you were against the subsidy programs, the WPA, etc. that were developed during the great depression? You do realize that without those programs we would probably be importing ALL of our produce(nearly every farm in America is currently receiving some sort of subsidy from the American government) and would have shipped many times over more jobs overseas.

 

I don't like gimme programs. I think a lot of this hatred stems from the current welfare system. But believe me, there are thousands and thousands of programs that help people in need of assistance that are run much more efficiently than the current welfare program. Without some of these, our very notion of democracy and liberty would cease to exist.

 

You make some great points, and many of the younger folks need to heed what you say. There is a lot to be learned from the value of hard work and earning something on your own. In this case though, I have to disagree with you.

And what was theguru just saying in another thread about how the pensions for police officers are about to be a mess?

 

Not for the federal government they aren't. :thumb:

A major point being missed in this debate is that these loans aren't given out of reverence for the service these people are undertaking, but an incentive to get more people to do it. Debt forgiveness is a recruitment tool, not a reward.

 

I didn't realize that we were having an issue trying to attract people to the law enforcement profession. In fact, I'm quite certain we aren't. What is being suggested by Slick Hillary is not a recruitment tool, nor is it being done out of reverence to the law enforcement community. It is a pathetic attempt to pander for votes.

 

And this is coming from a 20+ year special agent with the federal government.

Some positions in law enforcement may pay well, but the starting salaries aren't always great.

 

A starting position in most professions don't pay that great. Why should law enforcement be an exception?

OK, these are my thoughts. I have scanned thru most of these post and forgive me if I'm off base but, from the day our first son was born I had heard on the news and from the banks and just about every advisor you could find that you need to begin now to save for your childs college tuition. We did just that. Fortunately now we will be able to send both our children to the college of their choice. Our oldest had some scholarship offers, but he just wasn't interested in the school. Fortunately we could send him to the school he wanted. Personnally if there is anything in this world you could do for your kids it is to be able to send them to the college of there choice and not have them have to carry the burden of that debt when they graduate and begin thier lives.

 

We definately made sacrifices. As that money grows it became very tempting to do some fun things. We didn't, and believe me, I actually enjoy writting those tuition checks because I know I can and I know that it is the best thing I can do for my child.

 

True story: I ran into a guy the other day and noticed he had a pic of his son in a football uniform. I asked if he really liked football and the fathers answer was, "he is my retirement fund". He is sending his son to private school and is planning on his son getting a DI scholly in football. This father coaches his son and continued to tell me how his son is the stud of the team and was going to write his own ticket to a DI school and beyond. This boy is in the fourth grade! Not, in my opinion, good planning for your childs colllege fund!

 

But many parents plan on this and this isn't always the way things turn out.

 

All I can say is; Please parents, save your money for your kids future. If they get that scholly and things work out, great. Then take that vacation or buy that new car or even that condo on the beach but please your kids come first.

I didn't realize that we were having an issue trying to attract people to the law enforcement profession. In fact, I'm quite certain we aren't. What is being suggested by Slick Hillary is not a recruitment tool, nor is it being done out of reverence to the law enforcement community. It is a pathetic attempt to pander for votes.

 

And this is coming from a 20+ year special agent with the federal government.

 

Maybe, maybe not, I don't know. I doubt I'll give it a lot of thought unless Hillary were to win the primary. But I do wonder if the dangerous job, low pay, and the soon to be bust pension system are attracting the most qualified candidates. I think it's a legitimate concern considering the importance of having qualified people in these positions.

 

It's obviously an attempt to win some votes, especially considering Hillary's position of student loan companies. I doubt it will have terribly much influence outside of those immediately affected unless it is a legitimate issue.

I didn't realize that we were having an issue trying to attract people to the law enforcement profession. In fact, I'm quite certain we aren't. What is being suggested by Slick Hillary is not a recruitment tool, nor is it being done out of reverence to the law enforcement community. It is a pathetic attempt to pander for votes.

 

And this is coming from a 20+ year special agent with the federal government.

 

The thing is, she wasn't just talking about law enforcement. She was speaking of all public service jobs.