ND next year. Can they turn it around?

[cooperstown]

Well lets see before Charlie Weis, Brady Quinn was just horrible and I mean horrible. Then Charlie becomes coach and he helps turn him into a guy competing for the heisman trophy.

 

Wow, "competed for the Heisman Trophy." Impressive. Let's look at a list of recent Heisman QB winners that accomplished absolutely nothing in their NFL careers:

 

Andre Ware

Charlie Ward

Gino Torretta

Danny Wuerfful

Chris Weinke

Eric Crouch

Jason White

 

Mr. Quinn might very well be added to that list. Then again, maybe he won't and will end up having a stunning NFL career. I hope he does. I like him. But you are just a tad premature in declaring him a major Weis success story.

 

Yes, Weis "took" them to two bowl games in his first two years and promptly continued their storied tradition of losing them. During these first two glorious seasons, his ND teams beat a grand total of one team with a final ranking in the top 25.

 

Weis would be far more likeable to us "less-rabid" ND fans if he just weren't so darn arrogant. He came in and immediately began proclaimed his own brilliance by telling everyone that ND would have a "decided schematic advantage" over all other college teams because of his vast NFL background and complex offensive mind. Even if this were true - and it's quite obviously not - who says this sort of thing?

[thebigfella23]

Man..If Weis is so terrible why are all these top high school recruits from Florida, Cal, Texas going all the way to South Band, Indiana to play football for him?

[cooperstown]

Man..If Weis is so terrible why are all these top high school recruits from Florida, Cal, Texas going all the way to South Band, Indiana to play football for him?

 

The Notre Dame name recruits for itself. They've gotten players from those areas since the beginning of time and this is nothing new. Plus you can add in the fact that he is able to tell high school seniors that they are in line for playing time far quicker than in past years due to the current state of their team. This has already been discussed within the media as a pretty substantial drawing card for him to play with potential new recruits.

 

I'm not anti-ND at all. I wouldn't say I'm pro-ND, either. But I am rather surprised that there are people out there that are so pro-Wies. He has done nothing to inspire any confidence amongst the ND faithful, IMO.

[strike-3]

The Notre Dame name recruits for itself. They've gotten players from those areas since the beginning of time and this is nothing new. Plus you can add in the fact that he is able to tell high school seniors that they are in line for playing time far quicker than in past years due to the current state of their team. This has already been discussed within the media as a pretty substantial drawing card for him to play with potential new recruits.

 

I'm not anti-ND at all. I wouldn't say I'm pro-ND, either. But I am rather surprised that there are people out there that are so pro-Wies. He has done nothing to inspire any confidence amongst the ND faithful, IMO.

 

Try telling that to Bob Davie or Ty Willingham. Actually Ty thought that the Notre Dame name would recruit for itself, and that is large part of the reasons why he is no longer employed in South Bend.

[thebigfella23]

Thank you Strike-3 that is exactly what i was about to put.

 

Thank you Strike-3 that is exactly what i was about to put.

 

Cooperstown this is for you. Take a look and when your done tell me if you still think that the name ND recruits itself or if the coach has something to do with it.

 

Here's a link to Ty's (05) recruiting class-http://notredame.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=9&c=8&toinid=704&yr=2005

 

Here's a link to CW's (08) recruiting class- http://notredame.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=9&c=4&yr=2008

[AverageJoesGym]

Try telling that to Bob Davie or Ty Willingham. Actually Ty thought that the Notre Dame name would recruit for itself, and that is large part of the reasons why he is no longer employed in South Bend.

 

 

This is dead on.

[cooperstown]

Try telling that to Bob Davie or Ty Willingham. Actually Ty thought that the Notre Dame name would recruit for itself, and that is large part of the reasons why he is no longer employed in South Bend.

 

Davie had some very highly ranked recruiting classes. His problem was that he was not a very good head coach. Ty's 2003 class was ranked #5. Yes, his next two year's classes were nowhere near ND's typical classes. I'm not saying that a ND coach can put forth no effort whatsoever and expect to land a top ten recruiting class, but they are a college that will usually be on the short list of most bluechippers because of their history, tradition, and reputation. The school is the bait. It is the coach's job to then finish pulling in the fish.

 

Recruiting rankings are a joke anyways. If NFL teams, which spend millions and millions on scouting and evaluation, regularly screw it up, then just how utterly imprecise is ranking high school football players, especially when it is primarily done on word of mouth.

[Mr.Fundamental]

I am see them losing three games this year!

[pigman]

I read in another thread that the Big 12 all conference team had one 4 star recruit and the rest were 2 and 3 stars, so I'm with ctown on this a highly ranked class guarantees nothing. I'm not quite sold on Weiss as a head coach either. Brady seems to have done alright without him.

[thebigfella23]

What about Kyle Rudolph at TE(6-7 235 4.70) or Dayne Crist at QB(6-4 225 4.60). These two guys are 5 stars. Be pretty hard to imagine if they dont turn out good. Considering they are freaking HUGE. :fight:

[Xtiger69]

I love the Irish but I say no bowl next year!

[thebigfella23]

No bowl? Have you seen there schedule? They will win atleast 7 games, and thats good enough for a bowl.