Ref question

[d-dawg]

My question to go along with this is, why does the shooter always (seemingly) get three free throws if the ball is well past the point of release and he's on his way down? To me, if he or she is fouled in the act of shooting, then by all means, give him three shots. But if it's well after the fact, then IMO it should be "on the floor" like any layup/jumper/runner attempt...

 

Good point-I agree.:ylsuper:

[sidelinecoach]

I can see that point but they just need to start making the call

[ky hoopster]

Agree with point also. If contact is after shot is released then foul on the floor.

[FishTie]

My question to go along with this is, why does the shooter always (seemingly) get three free throws if the ball is well past the point of release and he's on his way down? To me, if he or she is fouled in the act of shooting, then by all means, give him three shots. But if it's well after the fact, then IMO it should be "on the floor" like any layup/jumper/runner attempt...

 

This is basically the definition of an airborne shooter. He is still a shooter until he returns to the floor and his normal shooting motion has ended. If the foul occurs after his shot has completely ended then the penalty would be possession out of bounds or free throws if in the bonus.

[sidelinecoach]

Thanks FishTie that is some good clarification

[cshs81]

This is basically the definition of an airborne shooter. He is still a shooter until he returns to the floor and his normal shooting motion has ended. If the foul occurs after his shot has completely ended then the penalty would be possession out of bounds or free throws if in the bonus.

 

I can't find any wording that involves "shooting motion has ended." He's an airborne shooter until he touches the ground. Could be a case of semantics.

[Ms Liberty]

This is basically the definition of an airborne shooter. He is still a shooter until he returns to the floor and his normal shooting motion has ended. If the foul occurs after his shot has completely ended then the penalty would be possession out of bounds or free throws if in the bonus.

 

Regardless he/she is a shooter until they return to the floor. Nothing about "shot has completely ended", or "normal shooting motion", its when they return to the floor, period.

[FishTie]

I never said I was quoting the rule book.....You wont find the phrase "shooting motion has ended" in the rule book.....This is where common sense by the official has to come into play.

 

If you want to split hairs Ms Liberty then lets look at it this way........When I shoot a jump shot, my toes return to the ground before my heals do......All the while my arms are still extended over my head in follow thru......According to your interpretation, I could be fouled as soon as my toes touch the ground and you consider it to be after the shot. I think most good officials would consider this foul to have occured during the shooting motion and award free throws accordingly. Do you realize a player might be considered in the act of shooting even when his feet have yet to leave the groudn to begin a shot? I think if you research the rule book a bit you will find the phrase "normal shooting motion" or very similar words.

[Billy Clyde]

Somebody send a memo to 16th Region officials. They don't know about this rule!:sssh::sssh::sssh:

 

They don't know about many rules.

[atm10]

I can see that point but they just need to start making the call

 

Sideline, I am not disagreeing that if there is a foul it needs to be called. It just seems in your original post you are blaming the possibility of injury on the referee. Also, I think you have to take into consideration the drama that some kids have been taught to immediately fall to the floor in an attempt to get a call.

[FishTie]

They don't know about many rules.

 

I honestly dont know why the refs in the 16th arent better...........every game I have seen they always have several "experts" at each game to point out their mistakes.......

[coacharn21]

A kid shoots a jump shot,(a 3 most likely) but before he comes down the "D" turns to block out & backs into him before he comes down which most of the time knocks him down.

Why is this not a foul?

 

How is this any different than a kid shooting a layup & the "D" moves under him trying to take a charge which is called a foul most of the time?

 

How is it any different when a foul is called as the "D" goes out to defend the shot & makes contact as the shooter is coming down or while he is in the air?

 

I brought this up last year as I think it is very dangerous & may tear up an ankle, knee or leg but if the refs are calling it they can stop it. The shooter has absolutely no where to come down! I had not seen it as bad this year until this past week & it was done every single time so I do not know if the "D" was that well coached as to block out that good or was it just the coach teaching this against this particular team trying to get in the shooters mind as a tatic to disrupt the shooter. "Kind of dirty pool if you ask me" It needs to be called by the ref before someone is seriously hurt.

 

I have seen that called several times this year.

[Wireman]

It is a foul, but it is often a judegement call - much like a block/charge situation. Alot of times, the shooter tries to earn an Oscar by falling down when there isn't really any contact. Other times, the defensive player actually puts a shot on the shooter and endangers him. It is however the ref judges it.