Ref question

[sidelinecoach]

A kid shoots a jump shot,(a 3 most likely) but before he comes down the "D" turns to block out & backs into him before he comes down which most of the time knocks him down.

Why is this not a foul?

 

How is this any different than a kid shooting a layup & the "D" moves under him trying to take a charge which is called a foul most of the time?

 

How is it any different when a foul is called as the "D" goes out to defend the shot & makes contact as the shooter is coming down or while he is in the air?

 

I brought this up last year as I think it is very dangerous & may tear up an ankle, knee or leg but if the refs are calling it they can stop it. The shooter has absolutely no where to come down! I had not seen it as bad this year until this past week & it was done every single time so I do not know if the "D" was that well coached as to block out that good or was it just the coach teaching this against this particular team trying to get in the shooters mind as a tatic to disrupt the shooter. "Kind of dirty pool if you ask me" It needs to be called by the ref before someone is seriously hurt.

[atm10]

A kid shoots a jump shot,(a 3 most likely) but before he comes down the "D" turns to block out & backs into him before he comes down which most of the time knocks him down.

Why is this not a foul?

 

How is this any different than a kid shooting a layup & the "D" moves under him trying to take a charge which is called a foul most of the time?

 

How is it any different when a foul is called as the "D" goes out to defend the shot & makes contact as the shooter is coming down or while he is in the air?

 

I brought this up last year as I think it is very dangerous & may tear up an ankle, knee or leg but if the refs are calling it they can stop it. The shooter has absolutely no where to come down! I had not seen it as bad this year until this past week & it was done every single time so I do not know if the "D" was that well coached as to block out that good or was it just the coach teaching this against this particular team trying to get in the shooters mind as a tatic to disrupt the shooter. "Kind of dirty pool if you ask me" It needs to be called by the ref before someone is seriously hurt.

 

So it's the ref's fault?? Who's fault is it if a foul is called and the kid tears up an ankle?

[madman]

It is a foul and should be called. The rules book defines an airborne shooter as a player who has released the ball on a try for goal and has not returned to the floor. It further states that the airborne shooter is considered to be in the act of shooting. (Rule 4.1.1 & 4.1.2) I have seen that this is not consistently called. I think sometimes the ref follows the flight of the ball and doesn't stay with the shooter long enough to see if there is contact. This is a "no-no" on the refs part. The airborne shooter is very vulnerable and needs to be protected. The foul needs to be called.

[The Breeze]

I have seen it called a foul many times, sometimes a foul after the shot not 3 freethrows, I agree some refs tend to follow the flight of the ball and not what happens to the shooter which is wrong and dangerous to the shooter. This call needs to be consistent just like the block/charge call near the basket.

[BogeyMan]

It is a foul and should be called. The rules book defines an airborne shooter as a player who has released the ball on a try for goal and has not returned to the floor. It further states that the airborne shooter is considered to be in the act of shooting. (Rule 4.1.1 & 4.1.2) I have seen that this is not consistently called. I think sometimes the ref follows the flight of the ball and doesn't stay with the shooter long enough to see if there is contact. This is a "no-no" on the refs part. The airborne shooter is very vulnerable and needs to be protected. The foul needs to be called.

 

Somebody send a memo to 16th Region officials. They don't know about this rule!:sssh::sssh::sssh:

[ky hoopster]

Somebody send a memo to 16th Region officials. They don't know about this rule!:sssh::sssh::sssh:

 

I totaly agree with that. I witnessed it several times last night. I have also noticed players starting to push the three point shooter in the chest or stomach area after he gets up in the air. This is not being called either, but is definately a foul, and can cause the shooter to land off balance. Once you are in the air you are at the mercy of the defender.

[mr potato heads]

This has been called more times than I can count in the 13th Region. I think it should be a foul until the shooter is firmly planted again.

[sidelinecoach]

Thanks for everyones responses. I am not asking this to gripe but I'm just wanting to know your thoughts, the correct ruling along with bringing attention to this before some kid is seriously hurt due to something that is so preventable. Please try to make others aware especially if you have any ref friends. I'm very concerned some kid at some point is going to pay a heavy price if not.

[atm10]

Thanks for everyones responses. I am not asking this to gripe but I'm just wanting to know your thoughts, the correct ruling along with bringing attention to this before some kid is seriously hurt due to something that is so preventable. Please try to make others aware especially if you have any ref friends. I'm very concerned some kid at some point is going to pay a heavy price if not.

 

So if he is hurt and the ref makes the call your okay with it? Again whether it is called or not isn't the issue. How about the coach teaching the kids properly. You are barking up the wrong tree in regards to making "any ref" friends aware. I am sure they are aware.

[BogeyMan]

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So if he is hurt and the ref makes the call your okay with it? Again whether it is called or not isn't the issue. How about the coach teaching the kids properly. You are barking up the wrong tree in regards to making "any ref" friends aware. I am sure they are aware.

 

Then they should call it.

[16th62nd]

Surely, BogeyMan of al people could have figured out the true intent

of this thread.

[sidelinecoach]

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So if he is hurt and the ref makes the call your okay with it? Again whether it is called or not isn't the issue. How about the coach teaching the kids properly. You are barking up the wrong tree in regards to making "any ref" friends aware. I am sure they are aware.

 

What a silly comment! No obviously I would not be ok with it! If it is called or not is the issue! How can you say that? If the refs start making the call then the coaches would not be teaching this (that is if they are), because obvioulsy a foul would be called against their team! If the refs are aware they are not doing their job! Maybe the assigning secretary needs to be aware of it & make it a so called "point of emphasis" thay we hear about each year! So I do not think I am barking up the wrong tree just barking up any tree that will listen to get something done about this before a kid is seriously hurt!!!!!

[ky hoopster]

Don't know what you think sideline coach's intent is. I don't know much about him/her or

Bogeyman either as I have not been a member very long, and am not from the 62nd. I do however agree with both of them. I travel to every region and watch games all season.

The 16th region referee's hardly ever make this call even when the player falls at their feet. In every other region I have watched it is called fairly consistent. Meaning there are probably a few missed in the other regions, but most of them are called. Sportsfan of Ky made the best point about it in another thread yesterday. If you are very high in the air and someone gives you even a small nudge or even blows on you, you will be off balance when you land resulting in the so called "flop" unless it is their own team then they are screaming foul. It definately should be called even with minimal contact. The ref can see whether there is contact or not.

[BogeyMan]

Surely, BogeyMan of al people could have figured out the true intent

of this thread.

 

I did.

[jonathan.fraysure]

My question to go along with this is, why does the shooter always (seemingly) get three free throws if the ball is well past the point of release and he's on his way down? To me, if he or she is fouled in the act of shooting, then by all means, give him three shots. But if it's well after the fact, then IMO it should be "on the floor" like any layup/jumper/runner attempt...