November 16, 200718 yr The bottom line is, you can make any excuse you want, but Big Ben has been more successful thus far in his career than young Carson. It hurts don't it. :laugh: Apparently you are a lot more invested in this thread than me, it really doesn't hurt, but I appreciate your concern for my soft sense of self-worth. I guess it is an opinion but I say put Carson on Pittsburgh, and Ben on Cincy, I'd say this argument would be more obvious as to which one is better.
November 16, 200718 yr :laugh: Apparently you are a lot more invested in this thread than me, it really doesn't hurt, but I appreciate your concern for my soft sense of self-worth. I guess it is an opinion but I say put Carson on Pittsburgh, and Ben on Cincy, I'd say this argument would be more obvious as to which one is better. I know, if Carson doesn't perform better than Big Ben on Sunday's, I do drown myself in whiskey all week... What Bengals fans don't?
November 16, 200718 yr He has more SB rings, I wouldn't say that makes him more successful... In what ways has be had a better career? You wouldn't say that makes him more successful.....but everyone else in the country, who knows anything about football would.
November 16, 200718 yr :laugh: Apparently you are a lot more invested in this thread than me, it really doesn't hurt, but I appreciate your concern for my soft sense of self-worth. I guess it is an opinion but I say put Carson on Pittsburgh, and Ben on Cincy, I'd say this argument would be more obvious as to which one is better. Now that's supporting an argument with facts....
November 16, 200718 yr Kinda goes hand in hand with the SB... Just shows a more successful team, not a more successful QB... :laugh:
November 16, 200718 yr Author Kinda goes hand in hand with the SB... Just shows a more successful team, not a more successful QB... You make it sound like it doesn't matter one iota who mans the position. If that was the case, the Steelers would've won SBs with Maddox and Kordell.
November 16, 200718 yr You make it sound like it doesn't matter one iota who mans the position. If that was the case, the Steelers would've won SBs with Maddox and Kordell. I'm just saying comparing wins and SB's aren't a direct correlation between who a better QB is... And the Steelers did get close with Neil O' Frickin Donnel...
November 16, 200718 yr Author I'm just comparing wins and SB's aren't a direct correlation between who a better QB is... I suppose. But if a quarterback can't win games, well ...
November 16, 200718 yr I suppose. But if a quarterback can't win games, well ... Put Carson on a decent team, and he's up there with Brady and Manning IMO... Often times his mistakes are him trying to do way too much, IMO. And the difference between wins with Ben and Carson isn't huge, I believe. I'm lazy, someone else can look up the records of both if you'd like...
November 16, 200718 yr Author Put Carson on a decent team, and he's up there with Brady and Manning IMO... Often times his mistakes are him trying to do way too much, IMO. And the difference between wins with Ben and Carson isn't huge, I believe. I'm lazy, someone else can look up the records of both if you'd like... Not counting playoffs, Ben is 37-14 and CP is 30-30. While I am a big CP fan from way back in his early USC days, I think it's at least very open for discussion. And how long can your first comment be used as an excuse? Is CP in danger of becoming a modern-day Archie Manning?
November 16, 200718 yr CP is better than Big Ben everyday on the week and twice on Sundays. If you put CP on the Steelers teams of late they have at least 1 probably 2 right. Ben has been good this season no question about it but its just one notch below Carson.
November 16, 200718 yr Not counting playoffs, Ben is 37-14 and CP is 30-30. While I am a big CP fan from way back in his early USC days, I think it's at least very open for discussion. And how long can your first comment be used as an excuse? Is CP in danger of becoming a modern-day Archie Manning? Until Carson's current deal is up, IMO. If this team doesn't turn around, and it probably won't because the front office sucks, Carson is going to leave Cincy, IMO... If he comes back to Cincy, he will have no chance to prove otherwise, therefore invalidating that excuse.
November 16, 200718 yr Author CP is better than Big Ben everyday on the week and twice on Sundays. If you put CP on the Steelers teams of late they have at least 1 probably 2 right. Ben has been good this season no question about it but its just one notch below Carson. You act like it's the difference between Michael Jordan and Harold Miner. My point is Ben has improved dramatically, while CP doesn't appear to have gotten any better.
November 16, 200718 yr You act like it's the difference between Michael Jordan and Harold Miner. My point is Ben has improved dramatically, while CP doesn't appear to have gotten any better. I will give you that much.
November 16, 200718 yr You act like it's the difference between Michael Jordan and Harold Miner. My point is Ben has improved dramatically, while CP doesn't appear to have gotten any better. I completely agree here, if anything, CP has digressed...
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