I have a fair question: how many people walk up to an officiating crew after a game and tell them that they did a great job officiating the game?

Not nearly enough.....:thumb:

I'm amazed, some condone name calling to Officials but yet, assume they are cheating, due to the type of calls. I don't understand rationalization of this logic, that it's okay. I've seen strike zones shrink, mysterious charging calls, holding on TD's but we somehow refer that as cheating?

 

I've seen a lot of sporting events, many differing sports and Officials are lambasted over 1-2 calls, get blamed for the outcome and we have the right to verbally accost them.....No we don't but maybe it makes some of us feel superior somehow.

I have a fair question: how many people walk up to an officiating crew after a game and tell them that they did a great job officiating the game?

 

 

From where I officiated I know several officials (in baseball, football and basketball) and I have, after several games told them that they have done a fine job, but I have also told them that they have made bad calls and we have discussed it over a post game hotdog. Maybe because I know them or because of my approach they are open to some debate.

 

It is also a bit of a game to me, I know one official well and he is disappointed if I don't hollar at him during the course of a game, he likes it and I like it, I yell even if I agree with the call. It is part of our friendship.

I have a fair question: how many people walk up to an officiating crew after a game and tell them that they did a great job officiating the game?

 

How often does your boss tell you what a great job you are doing? My guess is not often. But when you mess up, I'm sure your superior's let you know.

The same amount that people would be willing to accept from their bosses at them at their work.

 

I disagree. This isn't their profession (for most), it is their hobby. Remember that.

I disagree with this one. I'm not sure what the issue is of using their name. Also, I've seen games called where all the bad calls go against one team. How can you not think the ref is cheating? Expelling someone for this is just silly.

 

First, in baseball (which I assume is where K3 is coming from) calling an official by his/her name is a HUGE deal. It's a respect thing.

 

Second, 99.99% of the officials never go into a game to "cheat" someone. Do they make mistakes? Sure. Could they make several mistakes that hurt only one team? Absolutely. But there is a big difference between that and cheating.

 

Finally, isn't this about the kids? What example are we setting? That when you lose you accuse someone of "cheating" you?

Refs can't be thin skinned. If you can't take the name calling, then hang up the stripes, zebra.

 

That's the problem. They are. Rather than deal will all the ridiculous malcontents they decide that they'd much rather enjoy spending time with their kids. Less officials come out, more retire early, then what? Who will you yell at when there is noone there?

Not nearly enough.....:thumb:

I'm amazed, some condone name calling to Officials but yet, assume they are cheating, due to the type of calls. I don't understand rationalization of this logic, that it's okay. I've seen strike zones shrink, mysterious charging calls, holding on TD's but we somehow refer that as cheating?

 

I've seen a lot of sporting events, many differing sports and Officials are lambasted over 1-2 calls, get blamed for the outcome and we have the right to verbally accost them.....No we don't but maybe it makes some of us feel superior somehow.

 

:thumb::thumb:

 

I have a good story as well. My son was playing baseball on a traveling team. Game ends in controversy as the last batter (on my sons team) is called out at the plate in a 1 run ballgame. He was buckled by a curveball, thought it was going to hit him and turned with his elbow directly over the plate. The pitch would have been a perfect strike, so the ump ruled strike 3 game over. Coach comes out and yells at ump, tells him he is terrible and says "You cost us the game." The ump replies, "No sir I did not. Not tagging up from 3rd on 3 separate occasions on balls to the outfield, getting 2 runners thrown out at 3rd with two outs, THOSE things cost you the game." He continues, "If you want to criticize the job I did, fine. At least I know I made the right call. Can you say the same?"

 

Be careful who you criticize, they might bite back! :scared:

Very true. I also liked your story in the previous post. That is often the case that the parents are not fully knowledgeable of all the rules but somehow believe their kids are being cheated.

 

I witnessed a similar incident last night when what I assume was a parent, waited at the game to blast an official for cheating a team all season (btw, the team who was allegedly being cheated won that very game he was complaining about). It became very heated as I guess the official did not like having his integrity questioned.

 

Here is a comment the parent/fan actually said , ... "How come there was this one penalty against them but you didn't blow the whistle until the play was over to see how it turned out, but when you had a penalty a few minutes later against us, you didn't even let us run a play." The response from the official was "Are you serious? You do realize that only certain penalties require the play be stopped don't you? It depends on what the penalty was and when it happened." To that, the parent/fan just had a blank stare for a moment and then responded "Well I am just tired of you cheating these kids."

 

This is a lot of the problem. Many fans simply dont know the rules and the ones that dont seem to always be the ones with the loudest mouths. I dont see how many officials hold their tougues when being pressed by someone who has absolutely no clue of what they are talking about. Also, most fans dont understand that an official that really was after a particular team wont make big calls in obvious places....just a well placed holding call will, many times, stop a drive. And 2 or 3 of these type calls, when HS teams only average 12 possessions a game, can definitely swing the outcome of a game and, in this case, most of the fans dont even know it. HS officials perform a very difficult and NECASSARY job for very little money...they really deserve our respect because most of them do an outstanding job.

This is a lot of the problem. Many fans simply dont know the rules and the ones that dont seem to always be the ones with the loudest mouths. I dont see how many officials hold their tougues when being pressed by someone who has absolutely no clue of what they are talking about. Also, most fans dont understand that an official that really was after a particular team wont make big calls in obvious places....just a well placed holding call will, many times, stop a drive. And 2 or 3 of these type calls, when HS teams only average 12 possessions a game, can definitely swing the outcome of a game and, in this case, most of the fans dont even know it. HS officials perform a very difficult and NECASSARY job for very little money...they really deserve our respect because most of them do an outstanding job.

 

Somebody spell "necessary" for me! Not only did I mis-spell it in my last post, I put it in bold letters so everyone would know that Im an idiot!:creepy:

That's the problem. They are. Rather than deal will all the ridiculous malcontents they decide that they'd much rather enjoy spending time with their kids. Less officials come out, more retire early, then what? Who will you yell at when there is noone there?

 

I've still got my wife.

I agree with this. If the refs sent every parent out that accused them of cheating, they would loose half the crowd.

 

 

 

You say that like it is a bad thing.:thumb:

I disagree. This isn't their profession (for most), it is their hobby. Remember that.

 

Okay, so can I show up on the golf course and yell out you about being a stupid loser when you miss the 3 foot par putt?

 

How about yelling at you that you are know-nothing hack when the engine that you have been tinkering with doesn't start?

 

Or how about telling you that you are horrible when your cross stitching pillow doesn't come out the way you like it?

 

BTW, without them performing their "hobby" your kids have no place to play.

They are fare game, I throw stuff at them

 

Anybody else get the image of the monkeys at the zoo when reading this?:sssh::lol:

I reffed for about 15 years and my one rule was don't cuss me. On the youth league level I have no problem with parents asking about a certain call or explaining a rule. On the high scholl level I think they need to be left alone after the game,too many opportunuties for something bad to happen. I was calling a tournament football game for the youth league and the team that was ahead punted. Well the ball basically went staight up in the air and one of the linebackers attempted to catch it. A player on the punting team hit him before the ball got there and then the ball hit the linebacker on his way down. The punting team recovered the ball and I threw a penalty as soon as contact was made and made them punt over. All I hear the rest of the game was I cheated them. The last play of the game the recieving teams' QB made a spectacular run and broke about 7 tackles to score the game winning TD. Of course my correct call was the reason they lost the game, because I cheated them. I was also commisioner of the league that year and had spent many hours with these people fundraising and building a better league. Now I didn't take all the comments personally, because it was me as the reff they were mad at. My wife was in tears and her feelings were hurt very badly. Needless to say she didn't allow me to run for commisioner the next year. I know it's along story, but it just goes to show how tore up some people can get over sports.

Upfront I'll tell you I'm the world's worst at yelling at the refs when I think they made a bad call or no call, especially when it depends on a outcome of a close game. Few times I've gotton thrown out of the Devil's Dome.

I remember one night years ago we had a ball game and the officating was so bad a group of fans were waiting for the officals going to the dressing room, they had to call the State Police in to help get them out of town.