Let me start off by saying that me, my kids, my parents, my wife and her family are all from public schools. But I'm so tired of hearing the public schools crying, I'd back the private schools if they chose to leave the KHSAA and form their own league.

 

In NKY alone, you would have Cov Cath, NewCath, St. Henry, Notre Dame, Villa Madonna, Bishop Brossart, Holy Cross, Calvary, Covington Latin and a few others.

 

All future state champions could get an asterisk by their name.

 

Since the new league could drop recruiting rules, they could steal players from public schools all they like.

 

They could also invite teams from outside the state or public schools inside the state to join with them.

 

Or we could just leave things alone and quit whining.

Let me start off by saying that me, my kids, my parents, my wife and her family are all from public schools. But I'm so tired of hearing the public schools crying, I'd back the private schools if they chose to leave the KHSAA and form their own league.

 

In NKY alone, you would have Cov Cath, NewCath, St. Henry, Notre Dame, Villa Madonna, Bishop Brossart, Holy Cross, Calvary, Covington Latin and a few others.

 

All future state champions could get an asterisk by their name.

 

Since the new league could drop recruiting rules, they could steal players from public schools all they like.

 

They could also invite teams from outside the state or public schools inside the state to join with them.

 

Or we could just leave things alone and quit whining.

 

It seems that the public schools are the ones the don't like the way the KHSAA is being run. Let them start their own league. :walk:

Let me start off by saying that me, my kids, my parents, my wife and her family are all from public schools. But I'm so tired of hearing the public schools crying, I'd back the private schools if they chose to leave the KHSAA and form their own league.

 

In NKY alone, you would have Cov Cath, NewCath, St. Henry, Notre Dame, Villa Madonna, Bishop Brossart, Holy Cross, Calvary, Covington Latin and a few others.

 

All future state champions could get an asterisk by their name.

 

Since the new league could drop recruiting rules, they could steal players from public schools all they like.

 

They could also invite teams from outside the state or public schools inside the state to join with them.

 

Or we could just leave things alone and quit whining.

 

I'm beginning to agree with you. My wife and I attended public high school, my kids are currently in private (catholic) high schools. I can't even remember what everybody wants anymore? This thing has turned into an orgy of mis-information, name calling, whining, mud slinging and huge ego trips! I say split em up and move on! Seriously, is this mainly about state championships or is there a loftier goal for our kids that I missed?

Let me start off by saying that me, my kids, my parents, my wife and her family are all from public schools. But I'm so tired of hearing the public schools crying, I'd back the private schools if they chose to leave the KHSAA and form their own league.

 

In NKY alone, you would have Cov Cath, NewCath, St. Henry, Notre Dame, Villa Madonna, Bishop Brossart, Holy Cross, Calvary, Covington Latin and a few others.

 

All future state champions could get an asterisk by their name.

 

Since the new league could drop recruiting rules, they could steal players from public schools all they like.

 

They could also invite teams from outside the state or public schools inside the state to join with them.

 

Or we could just leave things alone and quit whining.

 

 

Since what you suggest in your final sentence will never happen, I am in full support of your overall proposition.

I think the publics have a serious inferriority complex, have plenty of issues and generally are their own worst enemy. That does not mean there isn't plenty of blame for the problem to share and IMO the private's haven't shared much to date.

I'm beginning to agree with you. My wife and I attended public high school, my kids are currently in private (catholic) high schools. I can't even remember what everybody wants anymore? This thing has turned into an orgy of mis-information, name calling, whining, mud slinging and huge ego trips! I say split em up and move on! Seriously, is this mainly about state championships or is there a loftier goal for our kids that I missed?

The prop 20 vote was something to the effect of 190 schools voting for it. I do not believe that 190 some schools think they realisitcally have a chance to win the state tournament every year in some sport. So for some I would assume that it is about something else than just state championships.

 

For a good number of them, I think they feel it is about allowing their kids the opportunity to compete in a fair and balanced situation. And then let the chips fall where they may.

For a good number of them, I think they feel it is about allowing their kids the opportunity to compete in a fair and balanced situation. And then let the chips fall where they may.

 

This has been discussed ad nauseum (literally). The only way to have a fair and balanced situation would be to dissolve all athletic programs.

 

One team/player/program will always have an advantage over another. One kid will be bigger, faster, smarter, hungrier, richer, or be better prepared than the other. One program will have more money, more kids, better facilities, better coaches, better athletes, better teachers, or better tradition than the other.

For a good number of them, I think they feel it is about allowing their kids the opportunity to compete in a fair and balanced situation. And then let the chips fall where they may.

Sure would be nice to get this as an adult. Life isn't fair. Live with it...

The prop 20 vote was something to the effect of 190 schools voting for it. I do not believe that 190 some schools think they realisitcally have a chance to win the state tournament every year in some sport. So for some I would assume that it is about something else than just state championships.

 

For a good number of them, I think they feel it is about allowing their kids the opportunity to compete in a fair and balanced situation. And then let the chips fall where they may.

 

That sounds reasonable on its face...but my question is where do you draw that subjective line of 'even playing field' or 'fair and balanced situation' which are the two most used goals I hear stated. If it means disallowing schools (private and public) to take kids from outside a certain geographic area, then what happens when people move? Good programs (academic and athletic) are gonna attract a certain group of period...is that unfair?

 

Now I wholeheartedly agree that if those schools do anything outside a well defined boundary of 'cheating' then grave consequences should ensue. But the vast majority of successful private and public schools who consistently attract kids from out of district do not cheat.

 

I feel like we're on a spinning of wheel of 'everyone is entitled to a nice day' and we're gonna make sure they get it. No matter what you do, somebody's day is not going to be as nice as someone else's. The line will always be challenged and moving. There's no reasonable way to measure it much less enforce it as it is impossible to agree on what consistutes it. There will always be people or groups of people who in one's mind have some advantage.

 

So again, just separate em.

 

fwiw...I am not a hard line pro / con anything in this thing and my very few posts on the issue reflect that stance. I mean no disrespect at all.

I must share my case in point relative to my last post. Immediately after typing it, I read in the football thread a comment about how CCH is at a disadvantage this weekend vs LaSalle because they have so many more boys in the school....(the poster was not complaining per say, merely stating a fact....point is: the line is drawn everywhere and no where)

I say don't split the publics and privates and make recruiting legal!!!!!

 

No boundaries for anyone.

 

As it is now, if you're not recruiting the players in your own backyard, someone else is. Also, recruiting in someone else's backyard, might keep them out of your's.

 

It really is a tough world out there.

We really can't and that kind of stinks.

Sure would be nice to get this as an adult. Life isn't fair. Live with it...

Done all the time, every single day.

 

Affirmative action plans, remember those. Minorities and women have long benefitted (and should) from these hiring practices. You fall, like me, into the white male classification and we don't benefit from them.

 

NASCAR is limiting the number of cars that ONE OWNER can have so that a handful are not dominating the sport and wanting to encourage small owners. You might want to contact them with your feelings and tell them to stop the plans they have.

 

The NFL and NBA has a salary cap to help small market teams. Might want to contact Roger/David and let him know that he shouldn't be trying to level that playing field.

 

How about the black coaching program in the NFL? Every heard one for whites? That is setup to level the playing field for black coaches to get a chance. Never heard someone say, "We should just give everyone a head coaching job." or "It devalues the coaching position."

 

What about MLB REQUIRING that ONE MINORITY is interviewed for each open manager position? And I believe they FINED Detroit for not doing it when they hired Leyland.

 

Wimbledon just brought the prize money for women even with men, even though they play less sets and arguably are not the reason why so many are attending the tournament.

 

Women can get loans from the government to start a business that they NEVER have to pay back. The government does this to encourage female entrepreneurship. Sound level to you???

 

This list could go on and on and on and on of things in our DAILY LIVES that are done to level the playing field.

 

YES, LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD FOR ADULTS DOES HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE DAY.

That sounds reasonable on its face...but my question is where do you draw that subjective line of 'even playing field' or 'fair and balanced situation' which are the two most used goals I hear stated. If it means disallowing schools (private and public) to take kids from outside a certain geographic area, then what happens when people move? Good programs (academic and athletic) are gonna attract a certain group of period...is that unfair?

 

Now I wholeheartedly agree that if those schools do anything outside a well defined boundary of 'cheating' then grave consequences should ensue. But the vast majority of successful private and public schools who consistently attract kids from out of district do not cheat.

 

I feel like we're on a spinning of wheel of 'everyone is entitled to a nice day' and we're gonna make sure they get it. No matter what you do, somebody's day is not going to be as nice as someone else's. The line will always be challenged and moving. There's no reasonable way to measure it much less enforce it as it is impossible to agree on what consistutes it. There will always be people or groups of people who in one's mind have some advantage.

 

So again, just separate em.

 

fwiw...I am not a hard line pro / con anything in this thing and my very few posts on the issue reflect that stance. I mean no disrespect at all.

ONe of the interesting points of this is something your finely stated points allude to.

 

One of these groups is government agencies that are required by law to try and make things equal. The other is not.

 

So in so many things, publics and privates are operating under two different guidelines in how they get students, how they handle students, etc. etc.

Done all the time, every single day.

 

Affirmative action plans, remember those. Minorities and women have long benefitted (and should) from these hiring practices. You fall, like me, into the white male classification and we don't benefit from them.

 

NASCAR is limiting the number of cars that ONE OWNER can have so that a handful are not dominating the sport and wanting to encourage small owners. You might want to contact them with your feelings and tell them to stop the plans they have.

 

The NFL and NBA has a salary cap to help small market teams. Might want to contact Roger/David and let him know that he shouldn't be trying to level that playing field.

 

How about the black coaching program in the NFL? Every heard one for whites? That is setup to level the playing field for black coaches to get a chance. Never heard someone say, "We should just give everyone a head coaching job." or "It devalues the coaching position."

 

What about MLB REQUIRING that ONE MINORITY is interviewed for each open manager position? And I believe they FINED Detroit for not doing it when they hired Leyland.

 

Wimbledon just brought the prize money for women even with men, even though they play less sets and arguably are not the reason why so many are attending the tournament.

 

Women can get loans from the government to start a business that they NEVER have to pay back. The government does this to encourage female entrepreneurship. Sound level to you???

 

This list could go on and on and on and on of things in our DAILY LIVES that are done to level the playing field.

 

YES, LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD FOR ADULTS DOES HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE DAY.

 

All of the examples you give deal with protected classes, i.e. women, racial minorities, etc.

 

Please, please don't tell me that you are trying to classify public school students as a social minority requiring government classification and protection. Please. I couldn't bear it.