This has been discussed ad nauseum (literally). The only way to have a fair and balanced situation would be to dissolve all athletic programs.

 

One team/player/program will always have an advantage over another. One kid will be bigger, faster, smarter, hungrier, richer, or be better prepared than the other. One program will have more money, more kids, better facilities, better coaches, better athletes, better teachers, or better tradition than the other.

I think the concern is not cyclical advantages but programs that are year in and year out better.

 

Pendleton County Wildcats boys basketball is a good example. The year they go to state, they had a front line of 6'8", 6'5" and 6'5". Anyone that knows PC basketball will tell you that is not normal for PC. I don't think anyone held that against PC because it was a cyclical advantage. That is the way it is for rural schools. It goes in cycles.

 

The problem those 190something schools see is those programs that are just drawing from mulitiple counties to field their 6'8", 6'5", 6'5" team just to rid themselves of the cycle.

 

HS Sports started out as geographical communities versus geographical communities. So many in the decision making grew up with it that way. They see HS sports as should still be that way. In rural HS's, it is still that way. Less in urban high schools. Are social communities and not geographical communities in privates.

All of the examples you give deal with protected classes, i.e. women, racial minorities, etc.

 

Please, please don't tell me that you are trying to classify public school students as a social minority requiring government classification and protection. Please. I couldn't bear it.

NFL and NBA salary cap is not.

 

NASCAR is not.

 

There are two that were not.

I think the concern is not cyclical advantages but programs that are year in and year out better.

 

Pendleton County Wildcats boys basketball is a good example. The year they go to state, they had a front line of 6'8", 6'5" and 6'5". Anyone that knows PC basketball will tell you that is not normal for PC. I don't think anyone held that against PC because it was a cyclical advantage. That is the way it is for rural schools. It goes in cycles.

 

The problem those 190something schools see is those programs that are just drawing from mulitiple counties to field their 6'8", 6'5", 6'5" team just to rid themselves of the cycle.

 

HS Sports started out as geographical communities versus geographical communities. So many in the decision making grew up with it that way. They see HS sports as should still be that way. In rural HS's, it is still that way. Less in urban high schools. Are social communities and not geographical communities in privates.

 

I would say that private schools are actually political and/or ideological communities, i.e., communities of individuals who have separated themselves based upon beliefs about religion, education politics, and similar beliefs. They differ from the public school system, which is governed and run by people on opposite sides of the religious and political spectrum. This difference should be encouraged, not discouraged.

NFL and NBA salary cap is not.

 

NASCAR is not.

 

There are two that were not.

 

OK, then. I concede we need revenue-sharing in high school sports then. Oh, wait, T and X send all of their championship gate receipts for the enormous crowds they draw to the KHSAA for distribution.

All of the examples you give deal with protected classes, i.e. women, racial minorities, etc.

 

Come to think of it, private schools are the minority here! Maybe we do need protection. Ladies... I like your thinking. I agree, we need protection for the overwhelming huge group of public schools. The majority does not like want the minority has been able to create within the rules, so they want to change the rules. :lol:

OK, then. I concede we need revenue-sharing in high school sports then. Oh, wait, T and X send all of their championship gate receipts for the enormous crowds they draw to the KHSAA for distribution.

Educate us on the monopoly laws in this country and what their purpose is.

 

I believe it was Walmart who got in trouble in the 90's for unfair competitive practices on their pricing in Arkansas. Seems Walmart was setting their prices in an effor to drive out their competition and that is not allowed.

 

Why do we have subsidy payments in agricultural? Why do we pay farmers to NOT grow certain crops? It is to artificially keep crop prices at a certain level.

 

With the mindset of competition, I guess everyone feels we should get rid of all international trade rules and have open competition. For those US companies that cannot compete with foreign companies, they need to stop the whining and work harder. Is that the mindset?

 

My point is NOT to compare these things with private public schools. But to point out that the argument that life is not fair and no where in the adult world does this occur, is hogwash. It occurs everywhere.

OK, then. I concede we need revenue-sharing in high school sports then. Oh, wait, T and X send all of their championship gate receipts for the enormous crowds they draw to the KHSAA for distribution.

Actually, I would vote FOR a revenue sharing system. Vouchers. But that is another debate for another thread.

I would say that private schools are actually political and/or ideological communities, i.e., communities of individuals who have separated themselves based upon beliefs about religion, education politics, and similar beliefs. They differ from the public school system, which is governed and run by people on opposite sides of the religious and political spectrum. This difference should be encouraged, not discouraged.

Do you feel that privates and publics compete under the same guidelines and rules in obtaining STUDENTS and how they EDUCATE those STUDENTS?

Do you feel that privates and publics compete under the same guidelines and rules in obtaining STUDENTS and how they EDUCATE those STUDENTS?

 

No, quite obviously they don't, which is the beauty of it. I am not sure I follow the connection to why you feel we need to regulate that in the private schools. I am also not sure how you stretch the educational guidelines argument to athletics, where the private schools compete under the same rules.

I would say that private schools are actually political and/or ideological communities, i.e., communities of individuals who have separated themselves based upon beliefs about religion, education politics, and similar beliefs. They differ from the public school system, which is governed and run by people on opposite sides of the religious and political spectrum. This difference should be encouraged, not discouraged.

If that is the case then why at Catholic High Schools do non-Catholics have as much opportunity for financial aid as the Catholics. I understand that Catholic families do not pay the same tuition as non-Catholics. This difference is made up by the Catholic student's parish. Is it because the non-Catholic student has similar Religious beliefs? Does the family of the non-Catholic student attend mass and contribute financially to the Catholic Church? Maybe the non-Catholic families will convert and become practicing Catholics. Does the Catholic Church fund the financial aid program for the non-catholic student?

 

Maybe the similar belief that the non-Catholic impact athlete's family (from two counties away) has is the belief and interest in winning athletic programs. Does the Catholic High School offer the non-Catholic impact athlete significant financial aid because they need that student to meet their desired enrollment numbers, or is this offer available in order that they can attract impact athletes from a wider area in order to win state championships?

 

I offer this post only in the interest of debate.

 

As I have said, I am not for a split, I am not for proposal 2. I think the value of High School Athletics is in the life lessons that can be learned. Very few experience a State Championship, but every student that participates in athletics can learn life lessons.

If that is the case then why at Catholic High Schools do non-Catholics have as much opportunity for financial aid as the Catholics. I understand that Catholic families do not pay the same tuition as non-Catholics. This difference is made up by the Catholic student's parish. Is it because the non-Catholic student has similar Religious beliefs? Does the family of the non-Catholic student attend mass and contribute financially to the Catholic Church? Maybe the non-Catholic families will convert and become practicing Catholics. Does the Catholic Church fund the financial aid program for the non-catholic student?

 

Maybe the similar belief that the non-Catholic impact athlete's family (from two counties away) has is the belief and interest in winning athletic programs. Does the Catholic High School offer the non-Catholic impact athlete significant financial aid because they need that student to meet their desired enrollment numbers, or is this offer available in order that they can attract impact athletes from a wider area in order to win state championships?

 

I offer this post only in the interest of debate.

 

As I have said, I am not for a split, I am not for proposal 2. I think the value of High School Athletics is in the life lessons that can be learned. Very few experience a State Championship, but every student that participates in athletics can learn life lessons.

 

First, I have noticed in your posts somewhat of a tendency, with all due respect, to focus on Catholic private schools. There are a lot of other very fine private schools that are not Catholic at all. If I lived a little closer my kids would be attending (assuming they could test well enough) Christian Academy of Louisville. KCD is another fine (and very expensive) school. There are plenty of others. So there are many instances in which religion motivates parents, and then there are other things that motivate parents.

 

I am sure that non-Catholic families that send their children to Catholic schools are very much like me - they believe the public educational establishment in this country has politically veered way to far to the left, is controlled by a political animal in the very powerful and liberal teacher's union, and has subjected itself to a bottom-up mindset that they don't approve of. They see private education as a less politicized means of educational achievement that is driven more by competition than regulation. There is an entire cottage-industry in this country devoted to counter-public educational products.

 

If one believes that private educational institutions, in this or any other state, exist to draw impact athletes and no other to their schools, then I am not going to persuade otherwise, because the delusion is too firmly entrenched. People choose education for a variety of reasons unrelated to athletics, and most often related to political and ideological mindsets about the course of education in this country.

For the record, the majority of monies for tuition assistance at private schools is raised by the school for that purpose. For instance, Trinity has an annual bash called celebraTion. Some families/alumni have endowed money toward tuition assistance and academic scholarships in a loved one's memory as well.

 

I just want to put that on the record, as many believe that the tuition assistance monies 1) much larger in total than they are, and 2) the Catholic church provides the assistance.

Does the Catholic High School offer the non-Catholic impact athlete significant financial aid.

No more than the non-significant student.

 

This is more of the false information public schools are trying to spread about Catholic schools. It really needs to stop. We’ve answered these questions over and over. No. No. No.

 

If someone has proof this is happening, please report it to the KHSAA. Surely there must be proof.

 

Regardless, the fact that someone would want to potentially drive from 2 counties away and pay any amount for something they could get for free says a lot about what's in their own back yard.

In addition to the information provided by private school parents on BGP, it may be helpful to many to actually go to the websites of some of the private schools. Look up the Tuition page. Check out the amount of tuition being charged. Then, download the financial aid form. Check out what it asks for, as far as information about the family and the student. Then, take into account that no more than 50% is awarded as tuition assistance. Also in those pages you will find information about the scholarships available, the criteria that must be met, and how it is decided upon whom they are awarded. It really, REALLY would be helpful to anyone with questions, regardless of whether they are exploring the option for their child or just curious.

No, quite obviously they don't, which is the beauty of it. I am not sure I follow the connection to why you feel we need to regulate that in the private schools. I am also not sure how you stretch the educational guidelines argument to athletics, where the private schools compete under the same rules.

They garner their students (who will turn out to be their athletes), can handle their students and educate their students two different ways.

 

As a result, their pool of potential athletes will be determined by two different methods.

 

I think the big difference is not what is going on in the school with the coaching staff but rather what goes on OUTSIDE the school with parents and their kids involvement in AAU, club teams, private lessons, equipment purchase, etc, etc, etc.

 

To me, that is where the two groups separate out. The coaches, for the most part, work very hard. The difference is in the things that the school cannot control yet creates advantages for one over the other.

 

But for those who say and BELIEVE that the privates win more because they OUTWORK the public coaches/programs, I call hogwash.